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So John Kerry's going to endorse Obama. I didn't think he and Edwards were getting along at the end of the 2004 campaign.
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Clinton Relies on Soul-Searching Message Guru
Branding and Messaging Whiz Roy Spence Tapped for Bigger Role in Clinton Campaign
By KATE SNOW and JENNIFER PARKER
Jan. 10, 2008 —
The Texas advertising guru and branding whiz, who spent most of October on a spiritual soul quest, trying to reconnect with "the heart of America," has been tapped for a bigger role in Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.
Roy Spence, 60, a longtime friend of the Clintons, is the quirky Austin-based advertising legend who coined the phrase "Don't Mess With Texas," and developed the Southwest Airlines slogan, "You are now free to move about the country."
He was with Clinton at her Chappaqua, N.Y., home yesterday, after she flew in overnight from New Hampshire and met with her team to develop a campaign strategy for the next four weeks of key primaries.
Spence was active early on in the campaign, but will now take on an even greater role, inputting how to rebrand Clinton's message to voters.
"Hillary wants somebody in there that is going to comprehend what messaging conversations are being had, and how things are being formulated," a Clinton campaign insider told ABC News.
Referring to reports of infighting among Clinton's top-tier messaging staff, the insider suggested Spence wouldn't be directing changes in messaging, but will have input on what top level staffers are doing.
"You've got different camps looking out for their backside. They're looking for a grown-up to help," said a Clinton camp insider.
Walk Across America
One person familiar with Spence's political work told ABC News, "He's an interesting guy, probably one of the more offbeat guys to come up through the Democratic ranks."
In the fall, Spence began an intermittent seven-year spiritual/patriotic trek to "reach out and celebrate the goodness of America," blogging along the way about the people he meets and places he visits.
"My plan is to walk for one month per year, for seven years, or until I've crossed this great country," Spence wrote in a September e-mail to his employees.
"I want to pay my respects to America. To get out of the planes, trains and automobiles, and into the hands, hearts and soul of this country," he wrote. "To participate in the shared purpose and promise of the American people and this great land. This will make me a better marketer and a better person."
And the Clintons have reportedly told Roy they'll join him for part of the journey.
"Roy has said Bill or Hillary said they are going to walk with him along the way," Spence's spokeswoman Melanie Mahaffey told ABC News.
"He pops up every time there seems to be a problem with imagery," said Matthew Dowd, a former Bush team campaign strategist and current ABC News contributor, who has known Spence for 20 years.
Messaging and Branding
In the face of Sen. Barack Obama's charisma and inspirational message of "hope" and "change," and his victory in the Iowa caucuses, Clinton has already begun to retool her "ready to lead" message, arguing she, too, is "ready for change." Her campaign may even be trying to rebrand Clinton, highlighting her softer side.
Clinton said she thinks her rare display of raw emotion Monday may have been the reason so many women turned out for her in New Hampshire.
"Well, I think it could well have been," Clinton said on ABC's "Good Morning America," Wednesday. "Certainly, people mention it to me."
During her New Hampshire victory speech, Clinton was surrounded with young faces, instead of the older coterie of Bill Clinton-era advisors that surrounded her during her Iowa concession speech
Clinton met Spence while working on George McGovern's failed 1972 presidential bid, counting Spence as among "the best friends I've ever had," on page 58 of her 2003 autobiography, "Living History."
"We would sit outside at the end of 18- or 20-hour days, trying to figure out what else we could do in the face of ever-worsening poll numbers," Clinton wrote.
Fast forward more than three decades later, and Clinton is the one running for president, facing a formidable opponent touting an inspirational message.
Spence has been tapped to help.
'Idea Man'
He is known in advertising circles as the "Idea Man," even renaming his Austin-based ad firm "GSD&M's Idea City." The firm is owned by media giant Omnicom.
Spence's clients have included Southwest Airlines, Wal-Mart, and BMW, and he's done pro bono work for Bill Clinton's Global Initiative.
"He's a great pitchman, a big concept guy," said Dowd. "He can really create enthusiasm, a sense of purpose."
Spence declined to be interviewed for this story. But his company boasts an endorsement from the former president on its Web site: "Thanks for the creative solutions you bring to life, not just for your clients, but for our country and the world," reads a quote from Bill Clinton.
In October, the ad firm Spence founded 36 years ago hit a rough patch, laying off almost 120 people, after losing AT&T, one of their biggest clients.
The layoffs coincided with Spence's first installment of his spiritual trek across America. Spence walked from New Hampshire to Pennsylvania, logging about 20 miles a day, for 10-hour stretches, hoping to become a "better marketer and a better person."
The Clinton campaign may be more interested in whether the trek worked on his marketing skills.
Spence is one of several new faces getting a bigger role as Clinton gears up for key primaries in Nevada, Michigan, South Carolina and the big Super Tuesday primary states on Feb. 5.
Before the polls closed, Tuesday, the Clinton campaign tapped Maggie Williams, Clinton's former chief of staff from her days as first lady, to take the reins of the campaign, and will be in charge of day-to-day operations.
"Maggie brings a comfort level," a Clinton campaign source told ABC News. "She is a woman. She's a minority. She can talk the talk, and she understands the field operations."
Disappointed in their stunning third place loss in Iowa, and euphoric over their narrow New Hampshire victory, the expanded roles for trusted advisors are a sign the campaign is throwing everything they've got into wooing voters for the next critical phase of the primary race.
Branding and Messaging Whiz Roy Spence Tapped for Bigger Role in Clinton Campaign
By KATE SNOW and JENNIFER PARKER
Jan. 10, 2008 —
The Texas advertising guru and branding whiz, who spent most of October on a spiritual soul quest, trying to reconnect with "the heart of America," has been tapped for a bigger role in Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.
Roy Spence, 60, a longtime friend of the Clintons, is the quirky Austin-based advertising legend who coined the phrase "Don't Mess With Texas," and developed the Southwest Airlines slogan, "You are now free to move about the country."
He was with Clinton at her Chappaqua, N.Y., home yesterday, after she flew in overnight from New Hampshire and met with her team to develop a campaign strategy for the next four weeks of key primaries.
Spence was active early on in the campaign, but will now take on an even greater role, inputting how to rebrand Clinton's message to voters.
"Hillary wants somebody in there that is going to comprehend what messaging conversations are being had, and how things are being formulated," a Clinton campaign insider told ABC News.
Referring to reports of infighting among Clinton's top-tier messaging staff, the insider suggested Spence wouldn't be directing changes in messaging, but will have input on what top level staffers are doing.
"You've got different camps looking out for their backside. They're looking for a grown-up to help," said a Clinton camp insider.
Walk Across America
One person familiar with Spence's political work told ABC News, "He's an interesting guy, probably one of the more offbeat guys to come up through the Democratic ranks."
In the fall, Spence began an intermittent seven-year spiritual/patriotic trek to "reach out and celebrate the goodness of America," blogging along the way about the people he meets and places he visits.
"My plan is to walk for one month per year, for seven years, or until I've crossed this great country," Spence wrote in a September e-mail to his employees.
"I want to pay my respects to America. To get out of the planes, trains and automobiles, and into the hands, hearts and soul of this country," he wrote. "To participate in the shared purpose and promise of the American people and this great land. This will make me a better marketer and a better person."
And the Clintons have reportedly told Roy they'll join him for part of the journey.
"Roy has said Bill or Hillary said they are going to walk with him along the way," Spence's spokeswoman Melanie Mahaffey told ABC News.
"He pops up every time there seems to be a problem with imagery," said Matthew Dowd, a former Bush team campaign strategist and current ABC News contributor, who has known Spence for 20 years.
Messaging and Branding
In the face of Sen. Barack Obama's charisma and inspirational message of "hope" and "change," and his victory in the Iowa caucuses, Clinton has already begun to retool her "ready to lead" message, arguing she, too, is "ready for change." Her campaign may even be trying to rebrand Clinton, highlighting her softer side.
Clinton said she thinks her rare display of raw emotion Monday may have been the reason so many women turned out for her in New Hampshire.
"Well, I think it could well have been," Clinton said on ABC's "Good Morning America," Wednesday. "Certainly, people mention it to me."
During her New Hampshire victory speech, Clinton was surrounded with young faces, instead of the older coterie of Bill Clinton-era advisors that surrounded her during her Iowa concession speech
Clinton met Spence while working on George McGovern's failed 1972 presidential bid, counting Spence as among "the best friends I've ever had," on page 58 of her 2003 autobiography, "Living History."
"We would sit outside at the end of 18- or 20-hour days, trying to figure out what else we could do in the face of ever-worsening poll numbers," Clinton wrote.
Fast forward more than three decades later, and Clinton is the one running for president, facing a formidable opponent touting an inspirational message.
Spence has been tapped to help.
'Idea Man'
He is known in advertising circles as the "Idea Man," even renaming his Austin-based ad firm "GSD&M's Idea City." The firm is owned by media giant Omnicom.
Spence's clients have included Southwest Airlines, Wal-Mart, and BMW, and he's done pro bono work for Bill Clinton's Global Initiative.
"He's a great pitchman, a big concept guy," said Dowd. "He can really create enthusiasm, a sense of purpose."
Spence declined to be interviewed for this story. But his company boasts an endorsement from the former president on its Web site: "Thanks for the creative solutions you bring to life, not just for your clients, but for our country and the world," reads a quote from Bill Clinton.
In October, the ad firm Spence founded 36 years ago hit a rough patch, laying off almost 120 people, after losing AT&T, one of their biggest clients.
The layoffs coincided with Spence's first installment of his spiritual trek across America. Spence walked from New Hampshire to Pennsylvania, logging about 20 miles a day, for 10-hour stretches, hoping to become a "better marketer and a better person."
The Clinton campaign may be more interested in whether the trek worked on his marketing skills.
Spence is one of several new faces getting a bigger role as Clinton gears up for key primaries in Nevada, Michigan, South Carolina and the big Super Tuesday primary states on Feb. 5.
Before the polls closed, Tuesday, the Clinton campaign tapped Maggie Williams, Clinton's former chief of staff from her days as first lady, to take the reins of the campaign, and will be in charge of day-to-day operations.
"Maggie brings a comfort level," a Clinton campaign source told ABC News. "She is a woman. She's a minority. She can talk the talk, and she understands the field operations."
Disappointed in their stunning third place loss in Iowa, and euphoric over their narrow New Hampshire victory, the expanded roles for trusted advisors are a sign the campaign is throwing everything they've got into wooing voters for the next critical phase of the primary race.
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MrsSpringsteen
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This is cute
http://www.slate.com/id/2181495/
2. No pictures with former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel. He's way too creepy
http://www.slate.com/id/2181495/
2. No pictures with former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel. He's way too creepy
MrsSpringsteen
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ABC News
Obama Emerges as the Middle East Favorite for future U.S. president.
By LARA SETRAKIAN
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates, Jan. 10, 2008
They may not have a vote, but civic-minded people in the Middle East are watching the U.S. presidential race closely, and some have already chosen their favorite candidate.
"My favorite is unquestionably Sen. [Barack] Obama. He presents a new face of America to the Middle East, and to the world at large," Hafed Al Ghwell, a Libyan-American with the Dubai School of Government, told ABC News.
"I think [Obama] is capable of restoring the image of America as a beacon of democracy," said Fadi Salem, a Syrian engineer, also with the DSG.
The Illinios Democrat seems to have captured the hearts, minds and newspaper pages of the Middle East.
Even before winning in Iowa, Obama appeared to be the local favorite, as evidenced in the region's English language press. An op-ed in Egypt's Daily News called him "a breath of fresh air." Another, in the Daily Star of Lebanon, said he is "a global candidate for a global age."
"To see an African-American come this close to the White House, less than 50 years after the end of segregation ... is an accomplishment for which all Americans can be proud," wrote an editorial in Arab News, a Saudi Arabian newspaper. "Democrats, in particular, must quietly feel glad that the days of the Birmingham Barons and Bull Connor are behind the party."
Though Obama is, himself, a Christian, his father's Muslim heritage, and his own multiracial makeup, are seen as a huge plus sign to many here that he may be able to understand the region and what it would take to achieve peace and stability.
In one editorial, Lebanese political analyst Chibli Mallat pointed out that the name Barack is short for "Mubarak," an Arabic word, meaning "the blessed one." In a point of unsolicited advice, Mallat suggested Obama should highlight, not bury, that heritage.
"You should be proud of your Muslim legacy," wrote Mallat. "Make it a central plank of your campaign to become world leader. There is no contradiction between this and the Christian convictions you have. ... Become a uniquely ecumenical president, in a world increasingly in the throes of religious strife."
New York Sen. Hilary Clinton has equal or greater name recognition in the Arab world, but her popularity seems scant. Despite widespread admiration for her husband and nostalgia for his foreign policy, Clinton does not benefit much from his reflected glow.
"As a candidate for that high office, she has left a lot to be desired, and it is getting worse," wrote Tom Plate in Dubai's Khaleej Times.
"Take her recent retreat on global trade her apparently newfound doubts about the value of all free-trade deals. What a disgusting display of dime store grandstanding," he wrote.
On the Republican side, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are still relative unknowns, while local columnist Linda Heard called former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani the "Middle East's worst nightmare." Even though Giuliani has business ties to the Arab world, those are outweighed by what is perceived as a commitment to the Bush administration's foreign policy.
"Whereas, post 9-11, Giuliani was generally considered a competent, nice guy, keen to roll up his sleeves in order to put his city to rights, in recent months, the mask has come off," Heard wrote in Gulf News, a paper printed in the United Arab Emirates.
Ghaleb Darabya, a Palestinian executive education specialist, noted that Arabs still take offense at Giuliani's decision to return a multimillion-dollar gift from Saudi Arabia's Prince Al Waleed Bin Talal, to a relief fund for the victims of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
"Giuliani is known for his tough stance and his leadership after 9/11, he was able to bring people together. But if you ask people in this region, they know him for rejecting the donations that were made by Arabs who wanted to help American families," Darabya told ABC News.
Arizona Sen. John McCain resonates with Darabya as the candidate of character.
"[McCain] represents some honesty and integrity ... He has what it takes to lead the Republican party," Darabya said.
When asked what the new American president's priorities should be, experts in the Middle East point to a handful of perennial, predictable issues: the Iraq War, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and resolving diplomatic standoffs with Syria and Iran. But while the issues may be the same as in the last political cycle, the feeling in the region is that they are much more critical now.
"These already dangerous times are becoming even more dangerous. We can only stand by helplessly as the American people decide their fate and ours," Heard wrote. "With the future of the planet in their hands, it's time they made the right choice."
Obama Emerges as the Middle East Favorite for future U.S. president.
By LARA SETRAKIAN
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates, Jan. 10, 2008
They may not have a vote, but civic-minded people in the Middle East are watching the U.S. presidential race closely, and some have already chosen their favorite candidate.
"My favorite is unquestionably Sen. [Barack] Obama. He presents a new face of America to the Middle East, and to the world at large," Hafed Al Ghwell, a Libyan-American with the Dubai School of Government, told ABC News.
"I think [Obama] is capable of restoring the image of America as a beacon of democracy," said Fadi Salem, a Syrian engineer, also with the DSG.
The Illinios Democrat seems to have captured the hearts, minds and newspaper pages of the Middle East.
Even before winning in Iowa, Obama appeared to be the local favorite, as evidenced in the region's English language press. An op-ed in Egypt's Daily News called him "a breath of fresh air." Another, in the Daily Star of Lebanon, said he is "a global candidate for a global age."
"To see an African-American come this close to the White House, less than 50 years after the end of segregation ... is an accomplishment for which all Americans can be proud," wrote an editorial in Arab News, a Saudi Arabian newspaper. "Democrats, in particular, must quietly feel glad that the days of the Birmingham Barons and Bull Connor are behind the party."
Though Obama is, himself, a Christian, his father's Muslim heritage, and his own multiracial makeup, are seen as a huge plus sign to many here that he may be able to understand the region and what it would take to achieve peace and stability.
In one editorial, Lebanese political analyst Chibli Mallat pointed out that the name Barack is short for "Mubarak," an Arabic word, meaning "the blessed one." In a point of unsolicited advice, Mallat suggested Obama should highlight, not bury, that heritage.
"You should be proud of your Muslim legacy," wrote Mallat. "Make it a central plank of your campaign to become world leader. There is no contradiction between this and the Christian convictions you have. ... Become a uniquely ecumenical president, in a world increasingly in the throes of religious strife."
New York Sen. Hilary Clinton has equal or greater name recognition in the Arab world, but her popularity seems scant. Despite widespread admiration for her husband and nostalgia for his foreign policy, Clinton does not benefit much from his reflected glow.
"As a candidate for that high office, she has left a lot to be desired, and it is getting worse," wrote Tom Plate in Dubai's Khaleej Times.
"Take her recent retreat on global trade her apparently newfound doubts about the value of all free-trade deals. What a disgusting display of dime store grandstanding," he wrote.
On the Republican side, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are still relative unknowns, while local columnist Linda Heard called former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani the "Middle East's worst nightmare." Even though Giuliani has business ties to the Arab world, those are outweighed by what is perceived as a commitment to the Bush administration's foreign policy.
"Whereas, post 9-11, Giuliani was generally considered a competent, nice guy, keen to roll up his sleeves in order to put his city to rights, in recent months, the mask has come off," Heard wrote in Gulf News, a paper printed in the United Arab Emirates.
Ghaleb Darabya, a Palestinian executive education specialist, noted that Arabs still take offense at Giuliani's decision to return a multimillion-dollar gift from Saudi Arabia's Prince Al Waleed Bin Talal, to a relief fund for the victims of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
"Giuliani is known for his tough stance and his leadership after 9/11, he was able to bring people together. But if you ask people in this region, they know him for rejecting the donations that were made by Arabs who wanted to help American families," Darabya told ABC News.
Arizona Sen. John McCain resonates with Darabya as the candidate of character.
"[McCain] represents some honesty and integrity ... He has what it takes to lead the Republican party," Darabya said.
When asked what the new American president's priorities should be, experts in the Middle East point to a handful of perennial, predictable issues: the Iraq War, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and resolving diplomatic standoffs with Syria and Iran. But while the issues may be the same as in the last political cycle, the feeling in the region is that they are much more critical now.
"These already dangerous times are becoming even more dangerous. We can only stand by helplessly as the American people decide their fate and ours," Heard wrote. "With the future of the planet in their hands, it's time they made the right choice."
U2democrat
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Kucinich is calling for a recount in NH. I doubt much will change though.
2861U2
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http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008...o-stir-mischief-by-voting-romney-in-michigan/
And all I hear about in here are the dirty tricks the Republicans pull...
Is this really good for America? Aren't we supposed to be a little more honorable and fair than this?
And all I hear about in here are the dirty tricks the Republicans pull...
Is this really good for America? Aren't we supposed to be a little more honorable and fair than this?
LarryMullen's POPAngel
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Both parties are guilty of tricks.
That's just how the game is played.
That's just how the game is played.
martha
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2861U2 said:
U2democrat
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Republicans would do the same thing if the tables were turned.
deep
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2861U2 said:http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008...o-stir-mischief-by-voting-romney-in-michigan/
And all I hear about in here are the dirty tricks the Republicans pull...
Is this really good for America? Aren't we supposed to be a little more honorable and fair than this?
I have LDS cousins in Mich
and they have registered me to vote there.
I can vote for Romney by mail, absentee.
This is what they want me to do.
I guess I should -
I have stayed in Mich a few times and spent some money there.
just kidding (wink)
U2democrat
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Really it's called "Party raiding", we learned about it in my govt. class in high school. It's been going on for years.
It's been going on for years.
BVS
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Oh, you dirty liberals 
Why can't you be more
like the Republicans
ray:?
Signed,
Why can't you be more
like the Republicansray:?Signed,
U2democrat
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U2democrat
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The whole article is really long so I'll just post part of it and the link:
Link to full article:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/91424
It's important that the truth gets out, because members of my family actually thought he was a Muslim after receiving the false e-mail and thus didn't like him for it (even though I said I didn't care what religion he is as long as he's a good person/leader).
Link to full article:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/91424
It's important that the truth gets out, because members of my family actually thought he was a Muslim after receiving the false e-mail and thus didn't like him for it (even though I said I didn't care what religion he is as long as he's a good person/leader).
And so the bigots begin their shameless sliming campaign. I really hope that if it comes down to McCain and Obama, McCain makes some sort of public statement about these kinds of tactics.
2861U2
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BonoVoxSupastar said:Oh, you dirty liberals
Why can't you be more
Signed,
The Republicans pull tricks too. But it's sad that whenever the topic of dirty tricks comes up here, all the talk is about the evil Republicans and how perfect the Democrats are.
U2democrat
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Oh trust me, I'll be the first to admit the dems are FAR from perfect. No political party is.
2861U2
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U2democrat said:
A) You don't know that.
B) That doesn't make it ok.
C) It's the Democrats who are always complaining of dirty tricks by the Republicans. If they wanted to be taken more seriously, they wouldn't be doing this.
Daily Kos
While Giuliani continues to wait for Florida, McCain has not done any compaigning in Florida has jumped out to an 8 point lead over Giuliani in Florida.
The latest poll done there on 01/09 - 01/10 by Survey USA has the following results for Republicans:
McCain 27%
Giuliani 19%
Huckabee 17%
Romney 17%
Thompson 8%
Paul 5%
The latest poll done there on 01/09 - 01/10 by Survey USA has the following results for Republicans:
McCain 27%
Giuliani 19%
Huckabee 17%
Romney 17%
Thompson 8%
Paul 5%
phanan
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2861U2 said:
It's quite naive to think they wouldn't do it. It's just the reality of both parties.
2861U2 said:
I don't believe she said it was.
2861U2 said:
C) It's the Democrats who are always complaining of dirty tricks by the Republicans. If they wanted to be taken more seriously, they wouldn't be doing this.
Daily Kos
Each party complains about it as much as the other. Neither should be doing it, but they will anyway.
U2democrat
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What phanan said 
deep
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2861U2 said:
A) You don't know that.
B) That doesn't make it ok.
Daily Kos
Dirty tricks in Michigan?????
We don't know the GOP would do that ???????
2861U2
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Hopefully McCain wins by such a margin that it doesnt matter.
BVS
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2861U2 said:
Really? Well, please point that out next time you see it. I can't wait till that 'Perfect Democrat' thread gets posted.
I think part of it, is that the Republicans in general have been selling themselves as the moral party, and when you sell yourself as the moral party the fall is usually a much bigger fall, and much much easier to see. But if you haven't spent so much of your time placing yourself on a soapbox or a cross the fall has much less impact.
CNN polling now has John McCain as the clear Republican front runner nationally. Hillary Clinton has the lead for the Democrats.
Registered Republicans
Jan
9-10
2008
McCain 34%
Huckabee 21%
Giuliani 18%
Romney 14%
Thompson 6%
Paul 5%
Hunter 1%
No opinion 2%
Registered Democrats
Jan
9-10
2008
Clinton 49%
Obama 36%
Edwards 12%
Kucinich 1%
Gravel *
No opinion 2%
Here is an 8 page analysis from CNN Opinion Research:
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2008/images/01/11/rel1a.pdf
Registered Republicans
Jan
9-10
2008
McCain 34%
Huckabee 21%
Giuliani 18%
Romney 14%
Thompson 6%
Paul 5%
Hunter 1%
No opinion 2%
Registered Democrats
Jan
9-10
2008
Clinton 49%
Obama 36%
Edwards 12%
Kucinich 1%
Gravel *
No opinion 2%
Here is an 8 page analysis from CNN Opinion Research:
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2008/images/01/11/rel1a.pdf
verte76
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I've seen some real trash about Obama. Stuff about his Muslim school, stuff about him being a Catholic, all sorts of crazy stuff.
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Scary thought 1: If it comes down to McCain v. Hillary. Republicans win.
Scary thought 2: If it comes down to McCain v. Hillary, with Bloomberg running independant, Republicans surely win.
Scary thought 3: If it comes down to McCain v. Hillary, I might actually vote McCain, despite him coming off as too old and slightly delusional compared to his 2000 self.
Scary thought 2: If it comes down to McCain v. Hillary, with Bloomberg running independant, Republicans surely win.
Scary thought 3: If it comes down to McCain v. Hillary, I might actually vote McCain, despite him coming off as too old and slightly delusional compared to his 2000 self.
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Strongbow said:
Looks like they didn't poll the independents though.
ntalwar said:
Any independents who are able to vote in the Republican primaries would overwhelmingly vote for McCain. For the Democrats it appears they would raise Obama's profile so it would be an issue for the Democrats, but again, many states do not allow independents to vote in the party primaries.
verte76
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I'm voting for the Democrat. No way I could vote for a Republican.
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