US 2008 Presidential Campaign/Debate Discussion Thread - Part III
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U2democrat
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Looks right to me too. It'll be interesting to see what January 3rd brings.
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I think this holds the most weight.
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But does that include incumbents? Because that would skew the statistic some.
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U2democrat said:
Exactly, that stat doesn't mean shit...
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martha said:
Yeah, you want him the hell out of California don't you?
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verte76 said:
Yes.
ray:
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mine, arnold could move in w me and come swiming everyday
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Sounds like a plan! 
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WASHINGTON — They're the odd couple again: George Bush and Hillary Clinton, the most admired man and woman in America.
Though they stand on opposite sides of a political divide, the Republican president and the Democratic senator from New York are sharing the honor for a sixth straight year, according to a USA Today-Gallup poll.
They didn't win by much. Oprah Winfrey and Clinton's husband, former president Bill, were right behind.
When people were asked to name the man they most admire, 10 percent picked Bush, his lowest figure in the seven years he has been president. Bill Clinton got 8 percent within the poll's margin of sampling error while Nobel Prize winner and former Vice President Al Gore had 6 percent and Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, a presidential hopeful, was chosen by 5 percent.
Whoever is president has won the most-admired title every year since 1981.
Sen. Clinton, hoping to be president-elect by the time of the next poll, was named by 18 percent as the most-admired woman, the 12th time she's been in the top spot. Talk show host Winfrey came in a close second with 16 percent. First lady Laura Bush and actress Angelina Jolie were each selected by 3 percent.
The poll, released Wednesday, asked participants an open-ended question, allowing them to respond with any names that came to mind. The rest of the votes were spread among a wide variety of government figures, movie stars, friends and relatives. Queen Elizabeth II was in the top 10 for a record 41st time.
The poll of 1,011 adults was taken between Dec. 14 and 16 and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
Though they stand on opposite sides of a political divide, the Republican president and the Democratic senator from New York are sharing the honor for a sixth straight year, according to a USA Today-Gallup poll.
They didn't win by much. Oprah Winfrey and Clinton's husband, former president Bill, were right behind.
When people were asked to name the man they most admire, 10 percent picked Bush, his lowest figure in the seven years he has been president. Bill Clinton got 8 percent within the poll's margin of sampling error while Nobel Prize winner and former Vice President Al Gore had 6 percent and Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, a presidential hopeful, was chosen by 5 percent.
Whoever is president has won the most-admired title every year since 1981.
Sen. Clinton, hoping to be president-elect by the time of the next poll, was named by 18 percent as the most-admired woman, the 12th time she's been in the top spot. Talk show host Winfrey came in a close second with 16 percent. First lady Laura Bush and actress Angelina Jolie were each selected by 3 percent.
The poll, released Wednesday, asked participants an open-ended question, allowing them to respond with any names that came to mind. The rest of the votes were spread among a wide variety of government figures, movie stars, friends and relatives. Queen Elizabeth II was in the top 10 for a record 41st time.
The poll of 1,011 adults was taken between Dec. 14 and 16 and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
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You know what I would LOVE to see?
A convention, for either party, where it really does come down to who has the most delegates, jockeying, campaigning (at the convention), like the olden days of politics. That would be fun, but I doubt that'd happen in this age of endless campaigns.
A convention, for either party, where it really does come down to who has the most delegates, jockeying, campaigning (at the convention), like the olden days of politics. That would be fun, but I doubt that'd happen in this age of endless campaigns.
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Dreadsox said:
That's what I was thinking about.
It'd sure make great TV.
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anitram said:
You could have seen it last year if you followed Canadian politics.
Well I'm sorry our news networks didn't carry what I'm sure was a nailbiting Canadian political convention!
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U2democrat said:
Me too!
MrsSpringsteen
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Obama's too nice to be President? That's a new one
NY Times
December 30, 2007
Candidates Step Up Attacks in Iowa
By JULIE BOSMAN and DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
BOONE, Iowa — The presidential candidates spent the last Sunday before the Iowa caucuses attending church services and staging big rallies to make last-minutes appeals as new polls suggested tightening races in both the Democratic and Republican fields.
With three Democrats scrambling for the lead in Iowa, which holds its caucuses on Thursday, the candidates tried to paint their opponents as flawed for the challenges facing the nation.
Former Senator John Edwards, continuing a line of attack, suggested that Senator Barack Obama is too “nice” for the presidency.
“You can’t nice these people to death,” he said, referring to insurance companies and drug companies. “You’d better send somebody into that arena who’s ready.”
Senator Obama spoke for nearly two hours at a high school in Knoxville, where he took on — if not quite by name — Bill Clinton, who previously suggested that electing Mr. Obama was a risky role of the dice.
“Let me tell you something,” Mr. Obama countered on Sunday, “the real gamble is having the same old folks doing the same old things against and expecting a different result. That is not an approach we can afford.”
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, who spent the day campaigning in four towns across southeastern Iowa, attended services with her daughter, Chelsea, at Corinthian Baptist Church, and then flew to Vinton for her first campaign appearance. (Her husband was en route through the fog to a campaign appearance in Sergeant Bluff.)
A McClatchy/MSNBC poll found Mr. Obama, Mr. Edwards and Mrs. Clinton essentially in a three-way dead heat among likely caucus-goers. The poll found a similar dynamic in the Republican field, with former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee tied with former Massacusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and others lagging behind.
The spotlight in the Republican field continued to be on Mr. Huckabee, who nevertheless had a quiet Sunday beyond his morning appearance at a church service.
On Saturday, Mr. Huckabee unveiled a pugnacious stump speech, tearing into the credibility of Mr. Romney, the Bush administration’s handling of the war and “East Coast establishment Republicans” in general.
On Sunday, Mr. Huckabee continued his barrage of attacks on the credibility of Mr. Romney as they head into the Iowa Republican caucus. Defending his characterization of the Bush administration’s “arrogant bunker mentality” toward the Iraq war, Mr. Huckabee accused Mr. Romney of hypocrisy for demanding an apology to the administration.
“He himself had talked about the major mistakes that had been made by the administration,” Mr. Huckabee said in an interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “He demanded of me an apology, but he didn’t demand of himself an apology for also being critical, as have most Republicans.”
Mr. Huckabee then attended an early service of the Cornerstone Family Church in Des Moines. When parishioners later found unsigned fliers on their car windshields criticizing Mr. Huckabee for failing to veto legislation authorizing video poker machines in Arkansas and for accepting a speaking fee from a company involved in stem-cell research. It is impossible to know how widely these fliers were distributed, but other large evangelical churches in the area reported their appearance as well.
Mr. Romney campaigned in eastern Iowa and seemed noticeably more confident on Sunday, choosing to take questions from reporters in Columbus Junction after declining to do Saturday.
“Two or three weeks ago, the polls said he was ahead by over 20 points,” Mr. Romney said of Mr. Huckabee. “Now the polls are saying we’re virtually tied. It looks to me like we are doing pretty well.”
Rudolph W. Giuliani wrapped up his final campaign swing here in Mount Pleasant on Saturday night and left, with no plans to return to the state before the caucuses.
His campaign began re-branding Mr. Giuliani as the candidate of religious conservatives, or values voters, handing out glossy pamphlets featuring the endorsement from the Rev. Pat Robertson and a quotation from Mr. Giuliani in large letters: “My belief in God and reliance on His guidance is at the core of who I am.”
NY Times
December 30, 2007
Candidates Step Up Attacks in Iowa
By JULIE BOSMAN and DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
BOONE, Iowa — The presidential candidates spent the last Sunday before the Iowa caucuses attending church services and staging big rallies to make last-minutes appeals as new polls suggested tightening races in both the Democratic and Republican fields.
With three Democrats scrambling for the lead in Iowa, which holds its caucuses on Thursday, the candidates tried to paint their opponents as flawed for the challenges facing the nation.
Former Senator John Edwards, continuing a line of attack, suggested that Senator Barack Obama is too “nice” for the presidency.
“You can’t nice these people to death,” he said, referring to insurance companies and drug companies. “You’d better send somebody into that arena who’s ready.”
Senator Obama spoke for nearly two hours at a high school in Knoxville, where he took on — if not quite by name — Bill Clinton, who previously suggested that electing Mr. Obama was a risky role of the dice.
“Let me tell you something,” Mr. Obama countered on Sunday, “the real gamble is having the same old folks doing the same old things against and expecting a different result. That is not an approach we can afford.”
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, who spent the day campaigning in four towns across southeastern Iowa, attended services with her daughter, Chelsea, at Corinthian Baptist Church, and then flew to Vinton for her first campaign appearance. (Her husband was en route through the fog to a campaign appearance in Sergeant Bluff.)
A McClatchy/MSNBC poll found Mr. Obama, Mr. Edwards and Mrs. Clinton essentially in a three-way dead heat among likely caucus-goers. The poll found a similar dynamic in the Republican field, with former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee tied with former Massacusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and others lagging behind.
The spotlight in the Republican field continued to be on Mr. Huckabee, who nevertheless had a quiet Sunday beyond his morning appearance at a church service.
On Saturday, Mr. Huckabee unveiled a pugnacious stump speech, tearing into the credibility of Mr. Romney, the Bush administration’s handling of the war and “East Coast establishment Republicans” in general.
On Sunday, Mr. Huckabee continued his barrage of attacks on the credibility of Mr. Romney as they head into the Iowa Republican caucus. Defending his characterization of the Bush administration’s “arrogant bunker mentality” toward the Iraq war, Mr. Huckabee accused Mr. Romney of hypocrisy for demanding an apology to the administration.
“He himself had talked about the major mistakes that had been made by the administration,” Mr. Huckabee said in an interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “He demanded of me an apology, but he didn’t demand of himself an apology for also being critical, as have most Republicans.”
Mr. Huckabee then attended an early service of the Cornerstone Family Church in Des Moines. When parishioners later found unsigned fliers on their car windshields criticizing Mr. Huckabee for failing to veto legislation authorizing video poker machines in Arkansas and for accepting a speaking fee from a company involved in stem-cell research. It is impossible to know how widely these fliers were distributed, but other large evangelical churches in the area reported their appearance as well.
Mr. Romney campaigned in eastern Iowa and seemed noticeably more confident on Sunday, choosing to take questions from reporters in Columbus Junction after declining to do Saturday.
“Two or three weeks ago, the polls said he was ahead by over 20 points,” Mr. Romney said of Mr. Huckabee. “Now the polls are saying we’re virtually tied. It looks to me like we are doing pretty well.”
Rudolph W. Giuliani wrapped up his final campaign swing here in Mount Pleasant on Saturday night and left, with no plans to return to the state before the caucuses.
His campaign began re-branding Mr. Giuliani as the candidate of religious conservatives, or values voters, handing out glossy pamphlets featuring the endorsement from the Rev. Pat Robertson and a quotation from Mr. Giuliani in large letters: “My belief in God and reliance on His guidance is at the core of who I am.”
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Now this could make things very INTERESTING: 
Bloomberg Prepares to Run
Monday, December 31, 2007 12:39 PM
By: Newsmax Staff Article Font Size
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is seriously moving toward a decision to run for president as an independent in 2008 — and his aides are already laying the groundwork for a Bloomberg campaign.
Next weekend Bloomberg will join Democratic and Republican statesmen at the University of Oklahoma in an effort to push major party candidates into renouncing partisan gridlock.
Former Sen. David Boren of Oklahoma, one of the organizers of the gathering, told the New York Times that if major party candidates did not formally embrace bipartisanship within two months, “I would be among those who would urge Mr. Bloomberg to very seriously consider running for president as an independent.”
Another scheduled attendee at the Oklahoma meeting, Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, has said he would consider being Bloomberg’s running mate on an independent ticket.
As Newsmax has reported, several Bloomberg advisers have been quietly feeling out potential campaign consultants regarding their availability should the mayor decide to run.
Patrick Brennan, political director of Bloomberg’s 2005 re-election campaign, has resigned his position as commissioner of the city’s Community Assistance Unit to spend more time exploring Bloomberg’s possible national campaign, according to the Times.
Bloomberg has consistently insisted that he has no plans to run for the White House. But in private talks with friends and associates, he has suggested he would give serious thought to a run if the opposing major party candidates are poles apart — for example, if Mike Huckabee is the GOP candidate and is opposed by Barack Obama or John Edwards.
In that case, Bloomberg might decide “those candidates are vulnerable to a challenge from a pragmatic, progressive centrist, which is how he would promote himself,” the Times observes.
The process for launching an independent campaign formally begins on March 5, when third-party candidates can begin circulating nominating petitions in Texas. Both major parties may have settled on their candidates by then. The deadline for filing the petitions is May 12.
Aides have said that Bloomberg, a multi-billionaire, could invest as much as $1 billion of his own money in a White House campaign, which would mean he would “not have to spend a lot of time raising money and he would not have to make deals with special interest groups to raise money,” Boren said.
Political insiders say two things are certain regarding Bloomberg and the presidency — he will not resign his post as mayor to run, and he will not enter the campaign unless he believes he can win.
“Normally I don’t think an independent candidacy would have a chance,” said Boren, who is now president of the University of Oklahoma.
“I don’t think these are normal times.”
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Bloomberg Prepares to Run
Monday, December 31, 2007 12:39 PM
By: Newsmax Staff Article Font Size
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is seriously moving toward a decision to run for president as an independent in 2008 — and his aides are already laying the groundwork for a Bloomberg campaign.
Next weekend Bloomberg will join Democratic and Republican statesmen at the University of Oklahoma in an effort to push major party candidates into renouncing partisan gridlock.
Former Sen. David Boren of Oklahoma, one of the organizers of the gathering, told the New York Times that if major party candidates did not formally embrace bipartisanship within two months, “I would be among those who would urge Mr. Bloomberg to very seriously consider running for president as an independent.”
Another scheduled attendee at the Oklahoma meeting, Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, has said he would consider being Bloomberg’s running mate on an independent ticket.
As Newsmax has reported, several Bloomberg advisers have been quietly feeling out potential campaign consultants regarding their availability should the mayor decide to run.
Patrick Brennan, political director of Bloomberg’s 2005 re-election campaign, has resigned his position as commissioner of the city’s Community Assistance Unit to spend more time exploring Bloomberg’s possible national campaign, according to the Times.
Bloomberg has consistently insisted that he has no plans to run for the White House. But in private talks with friends and associates, he has suggested he would give serious thought to a run if the opposing major party candidates are poles apart — for example, if Mike Huckabee is the GOP candidate and is opposed by Barack Obama or John Edwards.
In that case, Bloomberg might decide “those candidates are vulnerable to a challenge from a pragmatic, progressive centrist, which is how he would promote himself,” the Times observes.
The process for launching an independent campaign formally begins on March 5, when third-party candidates can begin circulating nominating petitions in Texas. Both major parties may have settled on their candidates by then. The deadline for filing the petitions is May 12.
Aides have said that Bloomberg, a multi-billionaire, could invest as much as $1 billion of his own money in a White House campaign, which would mean he would “not have to spend a lot of time raising money and he would not have to make deals with special interest groups to raise money,” Boren said.
Political insiders say two things are certain regarding Bloomberg and the presidency — he will not resign his post as mayor to run, and he will not enter the campaign unless he believes he can win.
“Normally I don’t think an independent candidacy would have a chance,” said Boren, who is now president of the University of Oklahoma.
“I don’t think these are normal times.”
© 2007 Newsmax. All rights reserved
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Bloomberg could put Romney in the Whitehouse. 
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You think he'd spoil for the Democrats?
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deep said:Bloomberg could put Romney in the Whitehouse.
You think so? I figured he would harm the GOP.
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I'm all for splitting the conservative vote.
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He's cute, that would work for me
INDIANOLA, Iowa (CNN) — He may be able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, but Superman can’t caucus.
Actor and Iowa native Brandon Routh is better-known for his role as Superman, but Sunday night he made a cameo appearance on the campaign trail, speaking on behalf of Illinois Sen. Barack Obama at a rally in Indianola, Iowa.
Routh says he is "sad" that he can't caucus any more because he no longer lives in the Hawkeye State, but he says he's "excited" by Obama's ability to unite the country. He also says he likes that Obama is not taking money from lobbyists or special interests.
Routh says he hopes his visit will empower people to caucus for Obama.
Routh is a former fashion model turned actor. He appeared on several television series before being cast as the title hero in the 2006 film Superman Returns.
INDIANOLA, Iowa (CNN) — He may be able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, but Superman can’t caucus.
Actor and Iowa native Brandon Routh is better-known for his role as Superman, but Sunday night he made a cameo appearance on the campaign trail, speaking on behalf of Illinois Sen. Barack Obama at a rally in Indianola, Iowa.
Routh says he is "sad" that he can't caucus any more because he no longer lives in the Hawkeye State, but he says he's "excited" by Obama's ability to unite the country. He also says he likes that Obama is not taking money from lobbyists or special interests.
Routh says he hopes his visit will empower people to caucus for Obama.
Routh is a former fashion model turned actor. He appeared on several television series before being cast as the title hero in the 2006 film Superman Returns.
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U2democrat said:
Blommberg gets a lot of moderates and independents
that would be breaking for the Dems in this election.
Three states?
Lets say NY. Florida and Ohio.
So if Hillary gets in the high 30s or low 40s
and Bloomberg gets in the high teens or low 20s
all Romney needs to get is the core conservative in the low to mid 40s
especially in Florida, NY and Ohio
a couple of swing states is the whole ball game
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martha said:I'm all for splitting the conservative vote.
Conservatives would not vote for Bloomberg
they would vote the GOP ticket.
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MrsSpringsteen said:
Awww. As an Iowan this really warms my heart.
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2861U2 said:
Bloomberg has been a life long Democrat
and
he is Jewish
he only went GOP because he could not get the Dem nomination for Mayor
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