US 2008 Presidential Campaign/Debate Discussion Thread - Part Catorce!

[Jeannieco]

Originally posted by U2democrat
It's a good day for Obama supporters Now let's have this momentum continue through the 4th...of both March and November.

Yes!!! I am thinking of flying down to Texas to help with the campaign!!!

[U2@NYC]

Originally posted by U2isthebest
Damn, McCain's nervous.

You know what's NOT eloquent, but is empty? McCain's attacks on Obama. Learn what your fellow candidates stand for, McCain. I'm sure you have plenty of extra time on your hands aboard the Shit Talk Express. Take a visit to www.barackobama.com and actually come up with something to say that relates to Obama's policies as opposed to this petty statement. Obama, at least, mentioned specific issues in his statments about McCain.

Don't be that overconfident.

I think McCain will eat Obama alive in most of the debates... so if I were Obama I would relax, win the primary and train more debating.

And no, I am not a republican.

[U2democrat]

Originally posted by 2861U2


I heard that Obama would have to win every remaining state by about 70%-30 in order to get 2025. Chances are, its going to the convention. Unless Hillary loses both Ohio and Texas, I don't see her quitting.

Yeah, Obama must win 65% of the remaining delegates to hit the 2025 mark, that is WITHOUT superdelegates. You include the superdelegates and that number gets lower.

[SeattleVertigo]

Originally posted by 2861U2


I heard that Obama would have to win every remaining state by about 70%-30 in order to get 2025. Chances are, its going to the convention. Unless Hillary loses both Ohio and Texas, I don't see her quitting.

At some point (probably shortly after Texas/Ohio) the pressure from the Party for her to quit will become so strong that she'll have no choice politically but to step aside. It would be nice if she'd do that because she's wise, but if she doesn't do it by her own volition, she does have her positioning in the Senate and in the Party generally to worry about.

[U2isthebest]

Originally posted by U2@NYC


Don't be that overconfident.

I think McCain will eat Obama alive in most of the debates... so if I were Obama I would relax, win the primary and train more debating.

And no, I am not a republican.

I'm not overconfident at all. I was simply stating that McCain wasn't even bothering to criticize Obama's positions on the issues or his policy ideas. Obama, on the other hand, mentioned the war and taxes, specifically in his remarks. He didn't go into detail, but debate is the time for that. If McCain had mentioned his contempt for Obama's economic or foreign policies, for example, I wouldn't be bothered. When McCain starts resorting to attacks on Obama because he's a brilliant speaker, he clearly is just going for the gut, so to speak. The empty comment is ridiculous because none of the candidates have laid out their concrete plans and policies yet, except for on their websites. It's up to us as citizens of a democratic republic to do the research on who these candidates are and what they stand for. I've watched both Democratic and Republican debates and no candidate has really given an in-depth description of what their plans are at this point. It's too early in the game for that in the way our political system works. That's why these websites are so great. Everything is laid out on them, so none of us have any excuse to say any candidate is "empty" regardless of whether or not we agree with them. A few keystrokes and mouse clicks will tell us much of what we want to know. McCain's argument doesn't hold up as anything other than the nerves of a man who knows he's got a hard fight ahead of him if a candidate that inspires hope and vision, and a belief that things can change becomes his opposition. In the same way, Obama has an uphill battle in being a young, relatively inexperienced (compared to McCain), candidate who would be running against a long-term senator with a lot of experience and clout in the Senate. As we've said though, experience clearly doesn't mean much. One look at the Bush administration will tell us that. In the end, if Obama and McCain are the nominees, it will come down to this: Is America ready for a new vision, a new way of governing that won't pander to one party and one group? Do we want a president that wants to be a new kind of president, that wants to unite the country against constant bipartisan issues that make it impossible for real progress to made. Do we want a president who has hope and concrete, workable ideas and policies for change that will benefit the common good like they're supposed to? Or, are we content with how things are right now? Do we want to just live our comfortable, suburban lives with our 2.5 kids, house in a new subdivision, and SUVs, and live comfortably numb while ignoring the serious problems our country and others face? Do we just want politics as usual with no real vision for change offered? The second option is easier, that's for sure. It robs and strips us of any true responsibility and doesn't require us to have faith and reach out to those around us, whether they're like us or not. The first option will hopefully pull more people's total focus off of themselves and their families and their own lives and will inspire them to work for changes in the world around them. It can truly make a difference and inspire people as opposed to allowing them to be sedated into business as usual. The choice is up to us.

[corianderstem]

Originally posted by Inner El Guapo
Would you rather have relations with Mulder or Scully?

Please don't make me choose.

[unico]

XXX-Files? New season?

[Canadiens1131]

The superdelegates better not give this to Hill Hill at the convention...

[unico]

Keep Hill on the Hill!

[2861U2]

Originally posted by Canadiens1160
The superdelegates better not give this to Hill Hill at the convention...

I wouldn't mind that at all

[BVS]

Funny how when this started everyone thought Obama would have been the easy one to beat...

Silly conservatives.

[2861U2]

Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar
Funny how when this started everyone thought Obama would have been the easy one to beat...

Silly conservatives.

Like who?

Personally, I've always preferred going against Hillary.

[U2democrat]

This is brilliant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvkqQj7ZIXM

[LemonMelon]

Originally posted by U2democrat
So at this point, Hillary has to win 58% of the remaining delegates just to overtake Obama's lead...that's not even to reach the threshold of 2025 delegates to clinch the nomination.

Essentially, barring a complete and utter collapse, Obama is likely to get on the ticket.

I hope you like my new signature.

[U2democrat]

I do. That video was excruciating

[unico]

ugh. why did i click on that link?

[U2democrat]

WASHINGTON — Early in Senator John McCain’s first run for the White House eight years ago, waves of anxiety swept through his small circle of advisers.

A female lobbyist had been turning up with him at fund-raisers, in his offices and aboard a client’s corporate jet. Convinced the relationship had become romantic, some of his top advisers intervened to protect the candidate from himself — instructing staff members to block the woman’s access, privately warning her away and repeatedly confronting him, several people involved in the campaign said on the condition of anonymity.

link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us...mccain.html?hp

I don't think this will have much of an impact, but it sure will piss off a lot of evangelical republicans IF it is true.

[U2@NYC]

Originally posted by U2isthebest


I'm not overconfident at all. I was simply stating that McCain wasn't even bothering to criticize Obama's positions on the issues or his policy ideas. Obama, on the other hand, mentioned the war and taxes, specifically in his remarks. He didn't go into detail, but debate is the time for that. If McCain had mentioned his contempt for Obama's economic or foreign policies, for example, I wouldn't be bothered. When McCain starts resorting to attacks on Obama because he's a brilliant speaker, he clearly is just going for the gut, so to speak. The empty comment is ridiculous because none of the candidates have laid out their concrete plans and policies yet, except for on their websites. It's up to us as citizens of a democratic republic to do the research on who these candidates are and what they stand for. I've watched both Democratic and Republican debates and no candidate has really given an in-depth description of what their plans are at this point. It's too early in the game for that in the way our political system works. That's why these websites are so great. Everything is laid out on them, so none of us have any excuse to say any candidate is "empty" regardless of whether or not we agree with them. A few keystrokes and mouse clicks will tell us much of what we want to know. McCain's argument doesn't hold up as anything other than the nerves of a man who knows he's got a hard fight ahead of him if a candidate that inspires hope and vision, and a belief that things can change becomes his opposition. In the same way, Obama has an uphill battle in being a young, relatively inexperienced (compared to McCain), candidate who would be running against a long-term senator with a lot of experience and clout in the Senate. As we've said though, experience clearly doesn't mean much. One look at the Bush administration will tell us that. In the end, if Obama and McCain are the nominees, it will come down to this: Is America ready for a new vision, a new way of governing that won't pander to one party and one group? Do we want a president that wants to be a new kind of president, that wants to unite the country against constant bipartisan issues that make it impossible for real progress to made. Do we want a president who has hope and concrete, workable ideas and policies for change that will benefit the common good like they're supposed to? Or, are we content with how things are right now? Do we want to just live our comfortable, suburban lives with our 2.5 kids, house in a new subdivision, and SUVs, and live comfortably numb while ignoring the serious problems our country and others face? Do we just want politics as usual with no real vision for change offered? The second option is easier, that's for sure. It robs and strips us of any true responsibility and doesn't require us to have faith and reach out to those around us, whether they're like us or not. The first option will hopefully pull more people's total focus off of themselves and their families and their own lives and will inspire them to work for changes in the world around them. It can truly make a difference and inspire people as opposed to allowing them to be sedated into business as usual. The choice is up to us.

Boy, you are going to be so disappointed when Obama cannot deliver on 90% of what he proposes. I see him just taking advantage of a very particular situation in the U.S.

But we'll see who is right. If he ever makes it to President. Which would not surprise me, as the majority of Americans were stupid enough to re-elect Bush.

[U2isthebest]

Originally posted by U2@NYC


Boy, you are going to be so disappointed when Obama cannot deliver on 90% of what he proposes. I see him just taking advantage of a very particular situation in the U.S.

But we'll see who is right. If he ever makes it to President. Which would not surprise me, as the majority of Americans were stupid enough to re-elect Bush.

How in the world can you compare electing Obama and electing Bush? Obama hasn't even been elected as the Democractic nominee. We have no idea what he will or won't accomplish as president. Bush has been our president for 8 years. That doesn't make any sense at all.

[U2@NYC]

Originally posted by U2isthebest


How in the world can you compare electing Obama and electing Bush? Obama hasn't even been elected as the Democractic nominee. We have no idea what he will or won't accomplish as president. Bush has been our president for 8 years. That doesn't make any sense at all.

I see the trend going. What I meant is that electing a President does not necessarily mean that he will be the best at his job. Or even worse, he can be a total disaster. I mean, people actually voted for Bush, again, even knowing how bad he was. So I would not be surprised if Obama wins.

And I do not think, again, that he will be able to accomplish much. I hope I am wrong but he does not look too capable to me. And, as someone said in another thread, he is just not "believable" at all.