US 2008 Presidential Campaign/Debate Discussion Thread - Part Catorce! - Page 35

namkcuR · 02-19-2008, 10:53 PM

MSNBC.com says '3AM' in the Hawaii primary section.

But Washington State has one too and they should be wrapping up right about now(11PM).

U2isthebest · 02-19-2008, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by namkcuR
MSNBC.com says '3AM' in the Hawaii primary section.

But Washington State has one too and they should be wrapping up right about now(11PM).

I thought Washinton was only for the Republicans today, but I might be mistaken.

namkcuR · 02-19-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by U2isthebest

I thought Washinton was only for the Republicans today, but I might be mistaken.

It is, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't talk about it.

U2isthebest · 02-19-2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by namkcuR

It is, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't talk about it.

Oh, I know. I thought you were asking about Democratic results from there.

corianderstem · 02-19-2008, 10:58 PM

I LIVE in Washington and I'm confused by it all.

I voted, but my vote didn't count towards the primary, and if you didn't declare your party on the ballot your vote doesn't count (loads of people put nasty notes in that spot, or left it blank out of confusion or out of protest), but you don't have to vote that party in later elections.

It's all really confusing. I don't remember anything being this confusing in the 2004 election season.

Butterscotch · 02-19-2008, 11:07 PM

a comment on the 'plagerism' charge- how can Obama be blamed? No politician writes their own speech!

2861U2 · 02-19-2008, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by Butterscotch
a comment on the 'plagerism' charge- how can Obama be blamed? No politician writes their own speech!

Actually, I heard on the news a few days ago that Obama in fact does write many of his speeches.

Irvine511 · 02-20-2008, 12:30 AM

it seems that McCain actually came in THIRD in Wisconsin.

crushed by both HRC and Obama.

namkcuR · 02-20-2008, 01:26 AM

Random question:

Why do the Democrats require so many more delegates to clinch the nomination than the Republicans?

SeattleVertigo · 02-20-2008, 01:46 AM

The Washington primary doesn't count for Democrats -- all the delegates were awarded from the caucus Feb. 9th (which Obama won, yay!). So Democrats voting in today's primary were essentially voting in a beauty contest.

For Republicans, half of the delegates were awarded from the Feb. 9th caucus, and half from today's primary.

There's a lot of sentiment to get rid of the caucuses, but the parties are stubborn.

Inner El Guapo · 02-20-2008, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by corianderstem
I LIVE in Washington and I'm confused by it all.

I voted, but my vote didn't count towards the primary, and if you didn't declare your party on the ballot your vote doesn't count (loads of people put nasty notes in that spot, or left it blank out of confusion or out of protest), but you don't have to vote that party in later elections.

It's all really confusing. I don't remember anything being this confusing in the 2004 election season.

Push comes to shove.

You're in a secluded cabin up in the mountains.

Would you rather have relations with Mulder or Scully?

MrsSpringsteen · 02-20-2008, 08:40 AM

NEW YORK — NBC News said Tuesday it has reprimanded the employee responsible for mistakenly flashing a picture of Osama bin Laden on MSNBC as Chris Matthews talked about Barack Obama.

"This mistake was inexcusable," MSNBC spokesman Jeremy Gaines said.

It happened during the opening of Hardball Monday evening. Matthews was previewing a story on the controversy over Obama's use of another politician's words, and a picture of bin Laden briefly flashed on the screen beside him with the headline "Words About Words."

The Obama campaign immediately called NBC to complain, and Matthews apologized on the air a few minutes later. When Hardball was rerun later that night, a picture of Obama replaced the picture of the terrorist leader.

The mistake was made by someone in the network's graphics department whom MSNBC would not identify. The network did not explain exactly how the mistake was made nor detail the punishment for the employee.

Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor noted the apology and said the campaign had no other comment.

MrsSpringsteen · 02-20-2008, 09:05 AM

February 19, 2008 9:51 PM

ABC News' Ron Claiborne and Teddy Davis Report: Arizona Sen. John McCain unveiled a new line of attack against Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., following his Tuesday win in Wisconsin's Republican primary.

"I will work hard to make sure Americans aren't deceived by an eloquent but empty call for change," said McCain.

The presumed Republican nominee also knocked his likely Democratic opponent by taking a shot at the "confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate."

The Obama camp -- fresh off a big win of their own in Wisconsin -- quickly responded.

"John McCain's remarks tonight shows why he's offering nothing more than a third term of George Bush's policies -– more fear-mongering, more than a century of war in Iraq, and more budget-busting tax cuts for the wealthiest few at the expense of hardworking Americans," said Obama campaign spokesperson Bill Burton.

A week ago, after winning the Virginia, Maryland and Washington, D.C. primaries, McCain suggested without ever using Obama's name that the Illinois Democrat's theme of hope was nothing more than "a platitude."

But Tuesday was the first time that he painted his rival as "eloquent but empty."

Obama spokesman Bill Burton responded to McCain's barb by accusing the Arizona senator of offering "nothing more than a third term of George Bush's policies: more fear-mongering, more than a century of war in Iraq, and more budget-busting tax cuts for the wealthiest few at the expense of hardworking Americans."

McCain also used his victory speech to take what some might interpret as a subtle dig at Obama's wife.

"I have never lived a day, in good times or bad, that I haven’t been proud of the privilege" of being an American, said McCain. "Don't tell me what we can't do. Don't tell me we can’t make our country stronger and the world safer. We can. We must. And when I'm President we will."

Speaking Monday in Milwaukee, Wisc., Michelle Obama said, "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country . . . not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."

Asked about McCain's new "eloquent but empty" line of attack, McCain spokeswoman Jill Hazelbaker called it, "A preview of things to come."

U2isthebest · 02-20-2008, 09:13 AM

Damn, McCain's nervous.

You know what's NOT eloquent, but is empty? McCain's attacks on Obama. Learn what your fellow candidates stand for, McCain. I'm sure you have plenty of extra time on your hands aboard the Shit Talk Express. Take a visit to www.barackobama.com and actually come up with something to say that relates to Obama's policies as opposed to this petty statement. Obama, at least, mentioned specific issues in his statments about McCain.

LarryMullen's POPAngel · 02-20-2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally posted by U2isthebest
Damn, McCain's nervous.

I actually checked CNN when I woke up in the middle of the night last night to see the result of Hawaii (wasn't shocked in the least when I saw it overwhelmingly went to Obama, but I still felt the need to check

).

U2isthebest · 02-20-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by LarryMullen's_POPAngel

I actually checked CNN when I woke up in the middle of the night last night to see the result of Hawaii (wasn't shocked in the least when I saw it overwhelmingly went to Obama, but I still felt the need to check ).

If I had woken up last night, I probably would have checked too.

U2democrat · 02-20-2008, 10:45 AM

It's a good day for Obama supporters

Now let's have this momentum continue through the 4th...of both March and November.

LarryMullen's POPAngel · 02-20-2008, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by U2democrat
It's a good day for Obama supporters Now let's have this momentum continue through the 4th...of both March and November.

U2democrat · 02-20-2008, 11:02 AM

So at this point, Hillary has to win 58% of the remaining delegates just to overtake Obama's lead...that's not even to reach the threshold of 2025 delegates to clinch the nomination.

2861U2 · 02-20-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by U2democrat
So at this point, Hillary has to win 58% of the remaining delegates just to overtake Obama's lead...that's not even to reach the threshold of 2025 delegates to clinch the nomination.

I heard that Obama would have to win every remaining state by about 70%-30 in order to get 2025. Chances are, its going to the convention. Unless Hillary loses both Ohio and Texas, I don't see her quitting.

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namkcuR ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Kettering, Ohio Posts: 10,763 Local Time: 08:54 AM	MSNBC.com says '3AM' in the Hawaii primary section. But Washington State has one too and they should be wrapping up right about now(11PM). __________________

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02-19-2008, 10:58 PM	#685
corianderstem Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 64,498 Local Time: 05:54 AM	I LIVE in Washington and I'm confused by it all. I voted, but my vote didn't count towards the primary, and if you didn't declare your party on the ballot your vote doesn't count (loads of people put nasty notes in that spot, or left it blank out of confusion or out of protest), but you don't have to vote that party in later elections. It's all really confusing. I don't remember anything being this confusing in the 2004 election season.

02-19-2008, 11:07 PM	#686
Butterscotch War Child Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 716 Local Time: 12:54 PM	a comment on the 'plagerism' charge- how can Obama be blamed? No politician writes their own speech!

02-20-2008, 12:30 AM	#688
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 34,039 Local Time: 08:54 AM	it seems that McCain actually came in THIRD in Wisconsin. crushed by both HRC and Obama.

02-20-2008, 01:26 AM	#689
namkcuR ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Kettering, Ohio Posts: 10,763 Local Time: 08:54 AM	Random question: Why do the Democrats require so many more delegates to clinch the nomination than the Republicans?

02-20-2008, 01:46 AM	#690
SeattleVertigo Refugee Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Islamabad, Pakistan Posts: 1,567 Local Time: 05:54 PM	The Washington primary doesn't count for Democrats -- all the delegates were awarded from the caucus Feb. 9th (which Obama won, yay!). So Democrats voting in today's primary were essentially voting in a beauty contest. For Republicans, half of the delegates were awarded from the Feb. 9th caucus, and half from today's primary. There's a lot of sentiment to get rid of the caucuses, but the parties are stubborn.

02-20-2008, 08:40 AM	#692
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,459 Local Time: 07:54 AM	NEW YORK — NBC News said Tuesday it has reprimanded the employee responsible for mistakenly flashing a picture of Osama bin Laden on MSNBC as Chris Matthews talked about Barack Obama. "This mistake was inexcusable," MSNBC spokesman Jeremy Gaines said. It happened during the opening of Hardball Monday evening. Matthews was previewing a story on the controversy over Obama's use of another politician's words, and a picture of bin Laden briefly flashed on the screen beside him with the headline "Words About Words." The Obama campaign immediately called NBC to complain, and Matthews apologized on the air a few minutes later. When Hardball was rerun later that night, a picture of Obama replaced the picture of the terrorist leader. The mistake was made by someone in the network's graphics department whom MSNBC would not identify. The network did not explain exactly how the mistake was made nor detail the punishment for the employee. Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor noted the apology and said the campaign had no other comment.

02-20-2008, 09:05 AM	#693
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,459 Local Time: 07:54 AM	February 19, 2008 9:51 PM ABC News' Ron Claiborne and Teddy Davis Report: Arizona Sen. John McCain unveiled a new line of attack against Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., following his Tuesday win in Wisconsin's Republican primary. "I will work hard to make sure Americans aren't deceived by an eloquent but empty call for change," said McCain. The presumed Republican nominee also knocked his likely Democratic opponent by taking a shot at the "confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate." The Obama camp -- fresh off a big win of their own in Wisconsin -- quickly responded. "John McCain's remarks tonight shows why he's offering nothing more than a third term of George Bush's policies -– more fear-mongering, more than a century of war in Iraq, and more budget-busting tax cuts for the wealthiest few at the expense of hardworking Americans," said Obama campaign spokesperson Bill Burton. A week ago, after winning the Virginia, Maryland and Washington, D.C. primaries, McCain suggested without ever using Obama's name that the Illinois Democrat's theme of hope was nothing more than "a platitude." But Tuesday was the first time that he painted his rival as "eloquent but empty." Obama spokesman Bill Burton responded to McCain's barb by accusing the Arizona senator of offering "nothing more than a third term of George Bush's policies: more fear-mongering, more than a century of war in Iraq, and more budget-busting tax cuts for the wealthiest few at the expense of hardworking Americans." McCain also used his victory speech to take what some might interpret as a subtle dig at Obama's wife. "I have never lived a day, in good times or bad, that I haven’t been proud of the privilege" of being an American, said McCain. "Don't tell me what we can't do. Don't tell me we can’t make our country stronger and the world safer. We can. We must. And when I'm President we will." Speaking Monday in Milwaukee, Wisc., Michelle Obama said, "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country . . . not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change." Asked about McCain's new "eloquent but empty" line of attack, McCain spokeswoman Jill Hazelbaker called it, "A preview of things to come."

02-20-2008, 09:13 AM	#694
U2isthebest ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Vision over visibility.... Posts: 12,332 Local Time: 08:54 AM	Damn, McCain's nervous. You know what's NOT eloquent, but is empty? McCain's attacks on Obama. Learn what your fellow candidates stand for, McCain. I'm sure you have plenty of extra time on your hands aboard the Shit Talk Express. Take a visit to www.barackobama.com and actually come up with something to say that relates to Obama's policies as opposed to this petty statement. Obama, at least, mentioned specific issues in his statments about McCain.

02-20-2008, 10:45 AM	#697
U2democrat Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: England by way of 'Murica. Posts: 22,142 Local Time: 12:54 PM	It's a good day for Obama supporters Now let's have this momentum continue through the 4th...of both March and November.

02-20-2008, 11:02 AM	#699
U2democrat Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: England by way of 'Murica. Posts: 22,142 Local Time: 12:54 PM	So at this point, Hillary has to win 58% of the remaining delegates just to overtake Obama's lead...that's not even to reach the threshold of 2025 delegates to clinch the nomination.