US 2008 Presidential Campaign/Debate Discussion Thread - Part Catorce!

[BVS]

Originally posted by diamond
not mitt.

[anitram]

Mitt's black now? Shit, THAT is a flip-flop.

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by anitram
Mitt's black now? Shit, THAT is a flip-flop.

he would be, if he thought it would help him actually win an election.

[martha]

Originally posted by Irvine511
he would be, if he thought it would help him actually win an election.

It's ok for blacks to be let into Mormon heaven now, so it's not such a hard decision anymore.

[2861U2]

According to presidentelectionpolls.com, new head-to-head matchups released today show McCain beating both Democrats.

Barack Obama- 261
John McCain- 266

Hillary Clinton- 203
John McCain- 317

[diamond]

slap.

[deep]

Did Obama plagarize
some one else's speech?

"Don't tell me words don't matter," Obama told the Wisconsin audience. "'I have a dream' - just words? 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal' - just words? 'We have nothing to fear but fear itself' - just words? Just speeches?"

Patrick used similar language during his 2006 governor's race to push back on similar charges from his GOP opponent.

"'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal' - just words? Just words?" Patrick said. "'We have nothing to fear but fear itself' - just words? 'Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.' Just words? 'I have a dream' - just words?"

Clinton's campaign posted video clips on YouTube to illustrate the similarities in Obama's and Patrick's speeches.

"I really don't think this is too big of a deal," he said. He said he's noticed Clinton using his phrases sometimes, like "it's time to turn the page" and "fired up, ready to go."

Did Hillary plagiarize Obama’s

FIRED UP

AND READY TO GO?

[Diemen]

Originally posted by 2861U2
According to presidentelectionpolls.com, new head-to-head matchups released today show McCain beating both Democrats.

Barack Obama- 261
John McCain- 266

Hillary Clinton- 203
John McCain- 317

According to polls, Guiliani was the frontrunner at one point.

[deep]

Originally posted by Diemen


According to polls, Guiliani was the frontrunner at one point.

popular votes are meaningless


and 2861U2 numbers are not that big of a surprise to me

those numbers (electoral votes) mean something

all along I have been asking what states Obama wins???


no one answers

they just FIRE UP

another one

YES WE CAN

YES WE CAN

[Lila64]

Originally posted by 2861U2
According to presidentelectionpolls.com, new head-to-head matchups released today show McCain beating both Democrats.

Barack Obama- 261
John McCain- 266

Hillary Clinton- 203
John McCain- 317

That's some sampling you got there. 527 total votes in the first scenario and 520 in the second. Yeah, I guess we can call the race now.
Gee, and I wonder how many "online polls" actually have the same person & or his/her friends voting in them for their faves, just like in any other poll/contest online (ie: U2, Bono,...). Yeah, these are accurate.

My newfound smiley for today

[deep]

Originally posted by Lila64



That's some sampling you got there. 527 total votes in the first scenario and 520 in the second. Yeah, I guess we can call the race now.

it does not add up to 541?

so, in each contest there are states that can not be called


I think Obama will not carry Florida
and may not carry Ohio

and there goes the whole election


FIRED UP!

or not.

[Diemen]

Originally posted by deep


popular votes are meaningless


and 2861U2 numbers are not that big of a surprise to me

those numbers (electoral votes) mean something

all along I have been asking what states Obama wins???


no one answers

they just FIRE UP

another one

YES WE CAN

YES WE CAN

Looking at those numbers Obama gets much closer than Clinton. And looking at the date, we're still quite a few months away from the real election. Are you saying that results of today = the results of election day?

[deep]

I did note that the poll suggest Obama wins more electoral votes than Hillary



and yes a lot can change between now and November




I believe most states will not deviate much from 2000 and 2004

Guiliani peaked too soon

I believe Obama may suffer a similar fate

[2861U2]

Originally posted by deep


I believe Obama may suffer a similar fate

That's an interesting point.

[U2democrat]

Originally posted by deep
I did note that the poll suggest Obama wins more electoral votes than Hillary



and yes a lot can change between now and November




I believe most states will not deviate much from 2000 and 2004

Guiliani peaked too soon

I believe Obama may suffer a similar fate

It's possible. Or it could be that what we are seeing is truly a movement that will not be stopped anytime soon.

It could also be that Hillary has already peaked as well. For the good part of a year leading up to Iowa the polls, pundits, and the Clinton campaign suggested she was inevitable. The next several primaries will be interesting. I'm not going to count out the Clintons.

[U2isthebest]

I don't know. Comparing the Obama and Giuliani campaigns like this doesn't seem to work. Giuliani was the definite Republican front-runner for a long time, but he never had the same momentum that Obama does. He wasn't mobolizing his party at the base level. It reminded me of the Kerry campaign in 04, in the sense of, the Republicans seeming to think he was the best of the bunch but nothing to write home about. I didn't see them getting behind him in a broad sense. On a far more important level, the campaign strategys of Obama and Giuliani are vastly different. Giuliani bet his whole campaign farm, so to speak, on Florida. He just did not seem to engage the rest of the Republicans in other parts of the country at all. Obama has spent a lot of time in nearly all of the primary states that have had elections/caucuses so far and has built up support from a grassroots level. Trying to align the 2 campaigns in terms of strategy is something that just doesn't seem logical.

[deep]

I think I posted in here that Guiliani is the worst person in American politics

Obama is very good
and most likely will be the Dem nominee

I think by the time the general election gets here

the Obama mania will have subsided
and he will not win the states required to get the 271 electoral votes.

[verte76]

Isn't the Wisconsin primary today?

[verte76]

Yeah, I think he'll be the nominee.

[MrsSpringsteen]

How does that not get noticed before it gets on the air?

TV Newser

Monday Feb 18, 2008
And It Continues...More Obama/Osama Confusion



The latest instance of a major cable outlet confusing Sen. Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden comes from MSNBC tonight. At the beginning of Hardball with Chris Matthews, a graphic titled "Words About Words" featured an image of bin Laden. The story Matthews teased was about the Obama speech being called into question for "plagiarism."

Matthews apologized 15 minutes later: "You may have noticed the graphic over my shoulder. A picture we showed over our shoulder, that was a mistake earlier in the broadcast. We apologize for the error."