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Old 02-08-2008, 12:00 PM   #481
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You know, I would actually tend to agree with you there. It is a generality. Then I look back at the past 8 years. I have no personal dislike for Bush as a person, believe it or not. However, anyone who could look back at the policies and plans carried out by the Bush administration and come to a conclusion that he's done a good job would have to be a bit off, at the least. Unless deceptively being pushed into a bloody, unnecessary war, having a welfare and aid response system in shambles (as revealed by the Bush administration's disastrous response to Katrina), having an economy in the toilet, an education plan that has widened the gap between wealthy schools and those truly left behind in the inner cities, and unconstitutional acts that take away civil rights, are good things in one's eyes, then, yes, it doesn't make Martha's argument sound stupid at all. Imagine that, our fearless leader has actually managed to screw things up so badly, that we shouldn't even need a debate about whether or not good has come from his administration. Well done W.
Well I don't want to get into a big policy debate about President Bush, but some of the stuff you mentioned are opinions, not facts, and you conveniently left out all the good things that have happened in the past 7 years.
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Old 02-08-2008, 12:03 PM   #482
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Well I don't want to get into a big policy debate about President Bush, but some of the stuff you mentioned are opinions, not facts, and you conveniently left out all the good things that have happened in the past 7 years.
Quite frankly, I can't think of any "good things".
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Old 02-08-2008, 12:14 PM   #483
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Quite frankly, I can't think of any "good things".
Well I can, so according to martha I could use the responsible, adult approach and just call you stupid.
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The only "good thing" I will give him credit for is going against the right wing xenophobes in his party on the immigration bill.

Everything else was dismal. Bush is a national embarrassment. Mercifully I no longer have to see his ugly smirking mug on my TV on a daily basis and that's the way I like it.
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The only "good thing" I will give him credit for is going against the right wing xenophobes in his party on the immigration bill.

Everything else was dismal. Bush is a national embarrassment. Mercifully I no longer have to see his ugly smirking mug on my TV on a daily basis and that's the way I like it.
That's one thing that at least proves he's not a complete bigoted fool, but as you said there is nothing, absolutely nothing, good that came from his administration.
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Well I can, so according to martha I could use the responsible, adult approach and just call you stupid.
I least I gave examples before I called people stupid.
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Quite frankly, I can't think of any "good things".
I'm coming up empty here as well.
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I feel sick to my stomach every time I see Joe Lieberman standing behind McCain.

What a fucking traitor. Sure, now he calls himself an 'Independent Democrat'(whatever that is), but how MANY years did he spend sitting in Congress calling himself a Democrat while supporting the Iraq War, while taking every conceivable opportunity to side with Republicans over his own supposed party.

And now he's actively campaigning for McCain.

Does he make anyone else feel sick?
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I feel sick to my stomach every time I see Joe Lieberman standing behind McCain.

What a fucking traitor. Sure, now he calls himself an 'Independent Democrat'(whatever that is), but how MANY years did he spend sitting in Congress calling himself a Democrat while supporting the Iraq War, while taking every conceivable opportunity to side with Republicans over his own supposed party.

And now he's actively campaigning for McCain.

Does he make anyone else feel sick?
I'm disappointed, but I know he's been a pretty conservative Democrat. He's always been chummy with the Republicans which is more refreshing to see than the ignorance of some on the far right who've said, in recent days, that the reason they don't support McCain is because of his willingness to work with Democrats. Apparently, some people don't have a basic knowledge of how the U.S. government is supposed to function. So, to answer your question, I'm not a fan of Lieberman supporting John McCain because I feel McCain is the wrong choice for a president. It has nothing to do with Lieberman's political affiliation itself.
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I think Obama's in trouble. Apparently Obama-girl didn't even vote on Tuesday.
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I think Obama's in trouble. Apparently Obama-girl didn't even vote on Tuesday.
Wow, that's a real blow. He might as well drop out now!
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Bush has done a good job increasing aid to Africa.
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Bush has done a good job increasing aid to Africa.
True. Although, that certainly doesn't take away from all the other horrors he's created across the world and at home. Not that you were implying that, but Bush supporters might actually try and make that argument.
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Bush has done a good job increasing aid to Africa.
Has he though in actuality? I know the first couple of times he pushed for increased aid, it was turned down in the majority Rep Senate, in fact I remember one of the earlier votes didn't have one single Rep vote. Maybe he has since then and I didn't see...
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Here are my plans for the weekend:

Tomorrow (Saturday) evening I'll be going to the Democratic Party of Virginia's Jefferson Jackson dinner where both Clinton and Obama will speak. Should be an absolute zoo, but it should be fun.

Sunday I'm going to a rally where Obama will speak at Virginia Beach, hopefully I'll get there early enough to get in. Again, should be a zoo, but should be fun.

I'll report back later with photos and stories
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I can't wait to hear everything you experience this weekend, Laura! None of the Democratic candidates have even been in Michigan for any major events yet because of our stupidity in breaking party rules about the timing of our primary. Go us.
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It should be quite an eventful weekend

Oh and I'm also voting absentee tomorrow

I saw Obama speak last year, as well as 3 years ago when I actually had the honor of meeting him. I don't expect to meet him again as the crowds are much larger than they were when I saw him previously, which is hard to imagine.

Still, just being in a room filled with Obama supporters and the man himself is going to be very invigorating, something you simply can't capture from the outside.

My nephew was born yesterday, and this will sound cheesy but I hope he gets a chance to grow up in a historic era of an Obama presidency, and that I will be able to tell him that I was a part of it.
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That must've been an awesome experience! And it doesn't sound cheesy at all. Obama has the ability to be a great president. I think our country would be blessed beyond measure to have him leading it.
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I guess Shuster got suspended

SEATTLE (AP) - A distasteful comment about Chelsea Clinton by an MSNBC anchor Thursday could imperil Hillary Rodham Clinton's participation in future presidential debates on the network, a Clinton spokesman said.

In a conference call with reporters, Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson Friday excoriated MSNBC's David Shuster for suggesting the Clinton campaign had "pimped out" 27-year old Chelsea by having her place phone calls to Democratic Party superdelegates on her mother's behalf. Wolfson called the comment "beneath contempt" and disgusting.

"I, at this point, can't envision a scenario where we would continue to engage in debates on that network," he added.

Clinton and Barack Obama are scheduled to participate in an MSNBC debate Feb. 26 from Ohio, which holds its primary March 4. The Clinton campaign has pushed hard for as many debates as possible with Obama, but Wolfson said the Feb. 26 debate could be jeopardized.

Wolfson pointed to what he called a pattern of tasteless comments by MSNBC anchors about the Clinton campaign. Weeks ago, "Hardball" host Chris Matthews apologized to the former first lady after suggesting her political career had been made possible her husband's philandering.

MSNBC has apologized on-air for Shuster's remark, but Wolfson said neither Chelsea nor Sen. Clinton had received a phone call offering a personal apology.

An MSNBC spokeswoman did not immediately return a phone call requesting comment.
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