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We will see if David
__________________(little Hill, all by herself) can slay Goliath (that three-headed monster - Obama- Teddy - Oprah) |
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but little Hill rode into town on the back of a great big dragon named Bill. |
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Is that a bagpipe or a kazoo I hear in the background?
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in November (even though it is seriously against my own self-interest) and I am pleased that there seems to be more objective opinions posted lately in this forum, in the recent Dem debate thread for example In the Primaries, candidates will modify their campaigning and even hold back in an effort not to alienate a good portion of their own base. You hear Romney saying things like McCain is a good Republican, just not a conservative. etc. Obama's main strength in this primary, claiming he was always against the war, can quickly dismantle him in the general election. The difference between Hillary or Obama as the nominee, could be as much as 3-5 per cent of popular vote. More importantly 2-4 States in the electoral college, and that is the all that really matters. |
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if we eliminate people just on the basis of their death count, there'd be a lot of dictators we supported during the Cold War who we would then, by this principle, have to get rid of as well. as well as lots of militia leaders across Africa, and Kim Jong Il. but they don' t have oil. |
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Limbaugh doesn't talk about that, so I'm not sure he would know of this...
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QUOTE]Originally posted by Irvine511
the US has to abide by international law when it chooses to. that is what was made clear by the Iraq invasion. there is no authority that could force the US government to abide by international law, in the way that there are plenty of authorties who could force Saddam Hussein of 1990 to abide by international law. [/QUOTE] Thats an absurd excuse for not even attempting to pass a simple resolution condemning the invasion. Members of the UN attempt to pass resolutions against Israel all the time that they know have little hope of being passed let alone being enforced. So the United States position in the world is irrelevant to whether or not member states would attempt to pass a resolution against the United States condemning it for its actions, demanding that it cease hostilities or withdraw. Quote:
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Whats different about 1441 and 678 is the context of the situation in which the resolutions were passed. By 1441, every non-military resolution or sanction had already been passed against Iraq. The only consequence that Iraq could suffer that was more serious than what it was already going through in terms of international relations was a full scale military invasion! Quote:
But more important as I said above, is the situation under which the resolution is passed. Serious Consequences against Iraq in 2002 meant only one thing given that they had already suffered every consequence short of a full scale military invasion. Regardless, resolution 678's "use of all necessary means" applies to "ALL SUBSEQUENT RESOLUTIONS" including resolution 1441. Quote:
Again, the Soviet Union played that little game that France and others in 2002 played, by voting for something but then claiming they did something else from the sidelines. What was put down clearly in the resolution and voted for by all the members speaks far louder than anything they say from the sidelines. One could use the exact same arguement to claim that resolution 678 did not authorize the use of military force against Iraq to remove its forces from Kuwait in 1991. Although its absurd, one could claim that "the use of all necessary means" is not defined and it did not mean "military force". Thats what the Soviets wanted when they got the United States to take the words "military force" out of the resolution 678. You could make the case that resolution 678 did not authorize military force because the Soviets would not support the resolution until those words were taken out! The bottom line is that in the case of resolution 678 and resolution 1441 there were indeed 9 members(5 in the security council) that did actively support the use of military force by voting for the resolution. Quote:
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The majority of the country and world disagree
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The war was necesary, waterboarding saves lives, and liberals don't care about the millions that dictators kill, they care more about criminals rights, and are godless. Come on... |
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[q]Bottom line, the UN would never approve of an occupation brought about through an illegal invasion.
[/q] this is demonstrably not true. i've just demonstrated it for you. your fundamental assumptions are wrong, thus, you have no argument. end of story. |
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The war received the same authorization that the 1991 Gulf War did, and the UN's approval of the occupation in the summer of 2003 and every year after that is the nail in the coffin on the idea that the war was illegal. |
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I saw Barack speak in Minneapolis yesterday afternoon, and wow, I was so impressed with the energy of the crowd. It is truly something that was out of this world. The Target Center holds 20,000 people and was completely filled, with another 10,000 on the waitlist who didn't get in. The line outside in 20 degree weather was over a mile long.
__________________It's been a long time since a candidate has sparked this much enthusiasm, and no matter what your political beliefs, it's an amazing thing to be a part of a time where people are excited to be involved in the political process. |
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