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Old 07-24-2008, 01:08 PM   #861
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No. Olbermann distorts the truth and is more dishonest than anyone I have ever seen in the news business. It matters when people watch his show to get election information, and it's so blatantly one-sided.

this from a Rush listener?
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Rush is as honest and impartial as the day is long
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Old 07-24-2008, 01:11 PM   #863
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I was thinking the same thing. The image of Europeans excited about America and waving American flags rather than using them in protest is a stark contrast against what we've been seeing the last 8 years, and it's such a wonderful feeling.



i didn't see the speech, but i did just read it. it made me choke up.

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That is why I'm here. And you are here because you too know that yearning. This city, of all cities, knows the dream of freedom. And you know that the only reason we stand here tonight is because men and women from both of our nations came together to work, and struggle, and sacrifice for that better life.

Ours is a partnership that truly began sixty years ago this summer, on the day when the first American plane touched down at Templehof.

On that day, much of this continent still lay in ruin. The rubble of this city had yet to be built into a wall. The Soviet shadow had swept across Eastern Europe, while in the West, America, Britain, and France took stock of their losses, and pondered how the world might be remade.

This is where the two sides met. And on the twenty-fourth of June, 1948, the Communists chose to blockade the western part of the city. They cut off food and supplies to more than two million Germans in an effort to extinguish the last flame of freedom in Berlin.

The size of our forces was no match for the much larger Soviet Army. And yet retreat would have allowed Communism to march across Europe. Where the last war had ended, another World War could have easily begun. All that stood in the way was Berlin.

And that's when the airlift began - when the largest and most unlikely rescue in history brought food and hope to the people of this city.

The odds were stacked against success. In the winter, a heavy fog filled the sky above, and many planes were forced to turn back without dropping off the needed supplies. The streets where we stand were filled with hungry families who had no comfort from the cold.

But in the darkest hours, the people of Berlin kept the flame of hope burning. The people of Berlin refused to give up. And on one fall day, hundreds of thousands of Berliners came here, to the Tiergarten, and heard the city's mayor implore the world not to give up on freedom. "There is only one possibility," he said. "For us to stand together united until this battle is won...The people of Berlin have spoken. We have done our duty, and we will keep on doing our duty. People of the world: now do your duty...People of the world, look at Berlin!"

People of the world - look at Berlin!

Look at Berlin, where Germans and Americans learned to work together and trust each other less than three years after facing each other on the field of battle.

Look at Berlin, where the determination of a people met the generosity of the Marshall Plan and created a German miracle; where a victory over tyranny gave rise to NATO, the greatest alliance ever formed to defend our common security.

Look at Berlin, where the bullet holes in the buildings and the somber stones and pillars near the Brandenburg Gate insist that we never forget our common humanity.

People of the world - look at Berlin, where a wall came down, a continent came together, and history proved that there is no challenge too great for a world that stands as one.

Sixty years after the airlift, we are called upon again. History has led us to a new crossroad, with new promise and new peril. When you, the German people, tore down that wall - a wall that divided East and West; freedom and tyranny; fear and hope - walls came tumbling down around the world. From Kiev to Cape Town, prison camps were closed, and the doors of democracy were opened. Markets opened too, and the spread of information and technology reduced barriers to opportunity and prosperity. While the 20th century taught us that we share a common destiny, the 21st has revealed a world more intertwined than at any time in human history.

whole thing is here: Obama Berlin Speech: See Video, Photos, Full Speech Transript
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this from a Rush listener?
Rush doesn't act like he's unbiased. Olbermann acts like he's just looking out for the folks from both sides, but, surprise surprise, it's only the Republicans who do anything bad and Democrats are perfect. I can't imagine anyone listening to Rush without knowing who he is or where he stands politically. I can't say the same about Olbermann. He is irresponsible.

Rush also doesn't moderate election night coverage.
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Old 07-24-2008, 01:22 PM   #865
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it made me choke up.
I'm sorry, but I had to laugh when I read that. I could only stomach watching some of it, and it was laughable.

I'm tired of Obama and all Democrats talking about how we need to be "citizens of the world," as if there is something wrong with being an American. Obama mentioned how "the world" came together to rebuild Germany. No. The United States rebuilt Germany. "The world," including Germany and all of Europe is doing next to nothing about the problems in Africa. The United States is doing the bulk of that.

Where's the talk of American exceptionalism- from either candidate?
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In contrast...McCain stopped by a German restaurant in Ohio during Obama's speech...that made my Mom and me laugh so hard we had tears streaming down our faces. There's just no comparison.
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What a welcome change abroad.
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Old 07-24-2008, 01:29 PM   #868
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I'm tired of Obama and all Democrats talking about how we need to be "citizens of the world," as if there is something wrong with being an American. Obama mentioned how "the world" came together to rebuild Germany. No. The United States rebuilt Germany. "The world," including Germany and all of Europe is doing next to nothing about the problems in Africa. The United States is doing the bulk of that.

Where's the talk of American exceptionalism- from either candidate?
Being citizens of the world does not equal anything wrong with being American-it's the exact opposite. People in other countries, and many people here, have had it with the arrogance of the last eight years that has created anti-American feelings (personally I wish some people would stop lumping all Americans in with Bush but that's another story). If you can't see that well no offense but you must be living under a rock or in denial.

The US is nothing without the support and friendship of "the world". We used to have it and we need it back. That's what Senator Obama is talking about.
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I'm tired of Obama and all Democrats talking about how we need to be "citizens of the world," as if there is something wrong with being an American.
What kind of logic is that?

I was born in Eastern Europe, moved to Western Europe as a child, to Canada as a pre-teen, and am now in NY. I consider myself to be a citizen of the world and I think it is only a good thing that I have lived in so many places, and have acquainted myself with so many cultures, and learned to speak so many languages. I strive to be a citizen of the world, and that does not denigrate my formal citizenships, nor the countries I have lived in nor am living in.

If you don't wish to be part of an increasingly global community, that's your prerogative. But you will be left standing with a small crowd of like-minded people, because time and progress are just going to steamroll right over you.
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I'm sorry, but I had to laugh when I read that. I could only stomach watching some of it, and it was laughable.

I'm tired of Obama and all Democrats talking about how we need to be "citizens of the world," as if there is something wrong with being an American. Obama mentioned how "the world" came together to rebuild Germany. No. The United States rebuilt Germany. "The world," including Germany and all of Europe is doing next to nothing about the problems in Africa. The United States is doing the bulk of that.

Where's the talk of American exceptionalism- from either candidate?


this is why they hate us. the Europeans. and this is why we're going to be left behind if we continue the narrow-minded, nativist perspectives exemplified here.
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Funny. I can't believe they put McCain in that stair lift thing

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What a welcome change abroad.
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Deutschland Deutschland uber alles!
Ok, as an American you are allowed to say that, but you shouldn't ever do that in public.
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this is why they hate us. the Europeans. and this is why we're going to be left behind if we continue the narrow-minded, nativist perspectives exemplified here.

That's exactly what I was thinking while reading that truly uninformed post.
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I'm sorry, but I had to laugh when I read that. I could only stomach watching some of it, and it was laughable.

I'm tired of Obama and all Democrats talking about how we need to be "citizens of the world," as if there is something wrong with being an American. Obama mentioned how "the world" came together to rebuild Germany. No. The United States rebuilt Germany. "The world," including Germany and all of Europe is doing next to nothing about the problems in Africa. The United States is doing the bulk of that.

Where's the talk of American exceptionalism- from either candidate?

Uhmmm, ah, yes. Exactly. I guess.
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I was thinking the same thing. The image of Europeans excited about America and waving American flags rather than using them in protest is a stark contrast against what we've been seeing the last 8 years, and it's such a wonderful feeling.
That's because Europe and Europeans finally have the candidate they have always wanted. Since the beginning of time Europe has promoted socialism, and now America has the socialist candidate if there ever was one. No wonder everyone overseas is tripping over themselves over him.
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That's because Europe and Europeans finally have the candidate they have always wanted. Since the beginning of time Europe has promoted socialism, and now America has the socialist candidate if there ever was one. No wonder everyone overseas is tripping over themselves over him.


tell me, how is Barack Obama a socialist?

show me that Europeans are interested in making America into a mirror of their increasingly less social democracies.

please give me examples of European socialism "since the beginning of time."

is Obama more of a socialist than Hillary? or, if Hillary had won, would she be the socialist candidate if there ever was one?
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That's because Europe and Europeans finally have the candidate they have always wanted. Since the beginning of time Europe has promoted socialism, and now America has the socialist candidate if there ever was one. No wonder everyone overseas is tripping over themselves over him.
Are you serious?

I don't know where to begin. To call that statement uninformed is almost a compliment.
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That's cracking me up.

Seriously, will you ever put in the effort to get informed about what Socialism is, what's the difference between socialism and welfare states and most importantly, what the heck is going on outside the Republcan world?
I'm sick and tired getting labeled either a Nazi, because I'm German, or a Socialist, because I'm a European, to be honest.
We had fucking Socialism in large parts of Europe, and Germany was divided over this inhuman pile of crap of a political system. So please, stop trying to tell me I or large parts of my country are in any way in favour of ever again having murderers running our country.

On a more positive note, here are the pictures I've taken today (not in the right order, but almost : Vincent_Vega85 - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

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good for you, Vincent

looks like you had a good time

I think I may have seen one self-portrait in there.
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