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Old 07-09-2008, 11:07 AM   #481
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Cute.

Does Obama wants us to learn Spanish to accomodate the illegals who will never learn English? Kinda sounds that way.

I think you may want to listen to it again, that's not what he said by a long shot.

Our country is by far extremely ignorant when it comes to knowing second languages.
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I saw this on TV last night, I think it was MSNBC

Think Progress Librarian with ‘McCain=Bush’ sign charged with trespassing at public campaign event.

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) was in Denver, CO, today for a town hall meeting. The event, at the Denver Center for the Performing Arts, was billed as “open to the public.” Yet Carol Kreck, a 61-year-old librarian carrying a “McCain=Bush” sign, was taken away by police for trespassing. A police officer told Kreck:

"You have two choices. You can keep your sign here and receive a ticket for trespassing, or you can remove the sign and stay in line and attend this town hall meeting."

Kreck received a ticket for trespassing and her court date is July 23. McCain has apparently taken a page from the Bush playbook. In 2005, the White House had three activists expelled from a Denver public forum with President Bush because it was the administration’s policy “to exclude potentially disruptive guests from Bush’s appearances nationwide.”

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WOW, just WOW... McCain is such a maverick.

She asks a great question at the end of the video. I would love to hear someone try and defend this...
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Did anyone here claim that?

No?

Didn't think so.

You keep including Barack Obama "and the Democrats" as if "the Democrats" are all of one mind and one opinion. That's rather short-sighted.
Actually, someone essentially did just that.

How does Barack Obama and many Democrats sound?


Hey check out this add, its called Barack Obama: Change That Works For Him. It deals with his position on Iraq and the Surge.

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Barack Obama wants us all to learn Spanish.



This guy is such an idiot. Note how very few people behind him applauded.


Man, we are on SUCH different pages. I watched that video and thought it was GREAT! He's right on target!

Perhaps you would like to make the case for why it's "idiotic" for your child to be bilingual? I'd be interested to hear the arguments. . .
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Man, we are on SUCH different pages. I watched that video and thought it was GREAT! He's right on target!

Perhaps you would like to make the case for why it's "idiotic" for your child to be bilingual? I'd be interested to hear the arguments. . .
Apparently because if you are Spanish you are an Illegal. At least that was the response I got.
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Actually, someone essentially did just that.

How does Barack Obama and many Democrats sound?


Hey check out this add, its called Barack Obama: Change That Works For Him. It deals with his position on Iraq and the Surge.


And now commercials are "evidence"?
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Man, we are on SUCH different pages. I watched that video and thought it was GREAT! He's right on target!

Perhaps you would like to make the case for why it's "idiotic" for your child to be bilingual? I'd be interested to hear the arguments. . .
Well Rush and others attacked this soundbyte on radio, so it's already been twisted. Many didn't even get a chance to think about it for themselves...
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Well Rush and others attacked this soundbyte on radio, so it's already been twisted. Many didn't even get a chance to think about it for themselves...
Why am I not surprised. . .

The sad thing is, there's nothing wrong with what he said, even taken as a "soundbyte". That people would take the phrase "our children should learn Spanish" and think this something to get angry about is. . .just beyond me. I fear for our country if people like this were ever able to call all the shots. . .
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Heck, I wish I'd taken Spanish in school, as opposed to German. Spanish would have been loads more useful.
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And now commercials are "evidence"? :LOL:
Hey, Obama is on the record as saying that the Surge would make the violence in Iraq WORSE!
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Your point being, both candidates have to deal with the reality and a sovereign Iraq free from fascist dictatorship or nihilistic terrorism that demands US troops out is a good thing. That each candidate will probably remove the bulk of combat troops is good and no amount of electioneering can change that.
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Your point being, both candidates have to deal with the reality and a sovereign Iraq free from fascist dictatorship or nihilistic terrorism that demands US troops out is a good thing. That each candidate will probably remove the bulk of combat troops is good and no amount of electioneering can change that.

The point is that the United States has vital security interest at stake here and it would be a mistake to begin withdrawing troops prior to insuring that those interest would not be endangered with any type of withdrawal. Iraq and the United States are working on what is called a status of forces agreement which may include a timetable for withdrawal that has as a prequisite continued progress and stability on the ground. The Iraqi idea is that once the Iraqi military assumes security responsibility in all 18 provinces(they handle that in 9 at the moment), US forces will withdraw from the cities. Then, over the next 3 to 5 years, US troops would remain in the country with the security and development situation reviewed every 6 months and changes made based on the situation on the ground. So this is far away from Barack Obama and many Democrats insistence on a withdrawal with no prerequisites for Iraq's successful development and stability prior to such a withdrawal. Its a continuation of the Bush administrations basic plan on Iraq, "as they stand up, will stand down". It definitely is a good thing and shows that the Presidents policies are working. But McCain and the Iraqi government have as a prerequisite to any future withdrawal, the stability of Iraq. Obama has not had such a prerequisite as apart of his withdrawal plans. Under McCain, provided that progress and growing stability continue in Iraq, US Combat brigades will gradually be withdrawn. Under Obama, the United States would begin withdrawing combat brigades immediately without any prerequisites for Iraqi stability and development.

The same process is under way in Afghanistan, although the Afghan military and government have a much longer way to go than the Iraqi's. When the United States and NATO can eventually remove the bulk of their combat forces there will also be a good thing.
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Obama is a politician, he has proven that he is happy to throw leftists under the bus for political gain and I doubt that would change if elected. Provided that violence in Iraq has actually been curtailed by the Anbar awakening and the militias are actually broken I don't see how a result based phased withdrawal is a bad thing.

Obama will not win on a "defeat-o-crat" platform and I doubt that he has any need to appease the netroots that you take as a representative sample of his support.

McCain and Obama seem much of a muchness no matter how much each camp spins the other, that is a good thing.
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Holy crow, we can imbed videos in our posts now?

That was quick - I take myself out to an early dinner, and when I come back, all the recent links have become videos!
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Obama is a politician, he has proven that he is happy to throw leftists under the bus for political gain and I doubt that would change if elected. Provided that violence in Iraq has actually been curtailed by the Anbar awakening and the militias are actually broken I don't see how a result based phased withdrawal is a bad thing.

Obama will not win on a "defeat-o-crat" platform and I doubt that he has any need to appease the netroots that you take as a representative sample of his support.

McCain and Obama seem much of a muchness no matter how much each camp spins the other, that is a good thing.
The Surge in US forces and the counterinsurgency tactics used have dramatically curtailed violence in the country. The Iraqi military is vastly improved from where it was 2 years ago and if the Police force can start to make the same rate of progress and violence continues to drop or at least be low and managable then a gradual withdrawal of US forces can begin and continue as long as progress continues to be made.

Its true that the far left of the Democratic party has nowhere else to go come election time, its the independents and conservative Democrats that Obama needs to worry about. Obama has been way off the mark when it comes to deciding the best course to pursue in Iraq over the past 18 months and this is something that the McCain campaign should be reminding voters everywhere.
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Obama to accept before 75,000+
By: Mike Allen
July 7, 2008 10:48 AM EST

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) will leave the hall of the Democratic National Convention in Denver and deliver a rock-star-style acceptance speech at nearby Invesco Field at Mile High, quadrupling his live audience, the party announced Monday.

The speech, in the stadium that is home of the Denver Broncos, will be on the fourth and final night of the convention, Aug. 28.

Adding to the historic resonance of the first nomination of an African-American for president, that date is the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream Speech.”

The move means additional expense for the television networks, where executives are having a conference call Monday to discuss the logistics of moving their cameras and anchors to the new location after months of planning for a finale in the smaller Pepsi Center, where the rest of the convention will be held.

The convention hall has a capacity of 19,000, compared to more than 76,000 at Invesco.

In 2004, there were rumors about the Republicans moving their final night out of Madison Square Garden to Yankee Stadium, but it didn’t happen.

There’s precedent for the Obama move. In 1960, John F. Kennedy accepted his nomination at Memorial Coliseum, next to the Democratic National Convention in the Los Angeles Memorial Sports Arena.

Matt Burns, communications director of the Republican National Convention, responded: "Not surprisingly, Senator Obama and his fellow Democrats are more focused on stagecraft and theatrics than providing real solutions to the challenges facing our nation. A change of venue for a political speech isn’t the kind of change the American people deserve or expect."


Here’s the Democrats’ release:

Breaking the mold of traditional political Conventions, the Democratic National Convention Committee (DNCC) today announced that Senator Barack Obama will accept the Democratic nomination for President of the United States at Denver's INVESCO Field at Mile High. INVESCO Field can accommodate more than 75,000 people and will be the site of the 2008 Democratic Convention's final day of programming on Thursday, August 28, 2008.

"The Democratic Party is nominating a true change candidate this August, and it is only fitting that we make some big changes in how we put on the Convention," said Governor Howard Dean, Chairman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC). "Senator Obama's candidacy has generated an enormous amount of excitement and interest, not only in the Democratic Party but also in the 2008 Convention. By bringing the last night of the Convention out to the people, we will be able to showcase Barack Obama's positive, people-centered vision for our country in a big way."

"Barack Obama's campaign for change has inspired millions of Americans and brought people into the political process who might never have been involved," said Convention Co-Chair Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius. "This change in the Convention program will allow thousands of first-time participants a chance to take part. I can't think of a better Convention finale for our nominee who has made reaching out to voters a hallmark of his campaign."

"When we said we wanted to 'bring down the walls,' open up this Convention like never before and truly speak to the American people, we meant it," said Leah D. Daughtry, CEO of the DNCC. "On August 28, we will offer grassroots Democrats, who have turned out in record numbers this year, the opportunity to witness history shoulder to shoulder with thousands of Americans standing up for the change our country desperately needs."

"Senator Obama and the DNCC have truly brought the community into the Convention," said Colorado Governor Bill Ritter, Jr. "This decision will enable thousands of residents from Colorado, the Rocky Mountain West and across the nation to witness history first hand. What a way to fire up our grassroots activists as we head into the fall campaign."

Primetime Convention activities Monday, August 25 through Wednesday, August 27 will continue to be held at the Pepsi Center. The final day of the Convention on Thursday, August 28, including the nomination acceptance speech of Senator Barack Obama, will be held at INVESCO Field at Mile High, also located in downtown Denver. Daytime Convention events, including meetings of the Democratic caucuses and councils will continue to be held at the Colorado Convention Center.

The DNCC announced today that a special block of "Community" credentials will be reserved for Colorado residents for Thursday night's program at INVESCO Field. Details about how to sign up and receive a "Community Credential" for the last night of the Convention will be released in the coming weeks.

"This is the type of Convention people will want to experience together with family, friends and neighbors, and we hope this move enables thousands of Americans to come together, experience history and put Senator Obama on the path to victory in November," Daughtry added.

They needed the bigger space for his ego.
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"Private" conversation or not, that's just unbelievable. Methinks Jesse Jackson is more than a bit jealous of Senator Obama. Conduct highly unbecoming of a Reverend..

Jesse Jackson Apologizes for Crude Obama Remarks - America’s Election HQ

The Rev. Jesse Jackson apologized Wednesday for saying Barack Obama is “talking down to black people” during what Jackson thought was a private conversation before a FOX News interview Sunday.

Jackson was speaking to a guest at the time about Obama’s speeches in black churches and his support for faith-based charities. Jackson added before going live, “I want to cut his nuts off.”

His microphone picked up the remarks.
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They needed the bigger space for his ego.
And John McCain has a very small ego. Anyone running for President would have a big ego, I would think. And I doubt that it was Senator Obama's idea.
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Why didn't he want to discuss that issue? Is it "dirty" or something?

PORTSMOUTH, Ohio (AP) - Republican John McCain prides himself on being a straight talker. But he resisted being dragged into a discussion Wednesday about insurance companies that cover Viagra but not birth control products.

"I certainly do not want to discuss that issue," the presidential candidate said when a reporter asked him about it on his campaign bus, the "Straight Talk Express."

A few seats away was Carly Fiorina, a top McCain supporter who stirred talk about the topic at a recent Washington breakfast with reporters. The former Hewlett-Packard chief executive, discussing consumer-driven health insurance, mentioned something "I've been hearing a lot about from women: There are many health insurance plans that will cover Viagra but won't cover birth-control medication. Those women would like a choice."

Fiorina is among McCain's most prominent female advisers, and seen by some as a possible choice to be his running mate.

When asked Wednesday if he had voted in the Senate against a proposal to require insurance companies to cover contraceptive products, McCain replied, "I don't know enough about it to give you an informed answer because I don't recall the vote... I don't usually duck an issue, but I'll try to get back to you."

Campaign spokesman Brian Rogers later said Fiorina was describing McCain's "vision for choice and competition in health insurance." He said McCain will open insurance markets "for greater variety and competition, allowing women to choose policies that fit their needs. An example is the choice for women to dump a policy that only covers Viagra for a policy that covers their real needs."

A Republican policy group said the Senate vote in question was a complicated matter that, among other things, would have supported using federal money to promote emergency contraceptives, which many Americans oppose.
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Gramm calls slowdown 'mental'
By: Mike Allen
July 10, 2008 10:11 AM EST

Former Sen. Phil Gramm, a top economic adviser to presumptive GOP nominee John McCain, referred to the economic slowdown as "a mental recession" and called the United States “a nation of whiners.”

The comments, in an interview with The Washington Times, could hurt the campaign’s efforts to convince working-class Americans that McCain feels their pain.

Democrats immediately condemned the remarks as “callous” and quickly began working to gain widespread attention to them.

The Democratic National Committee issued a statement titled: “Out of Touch Much, Phil?"

The Times said Gramm said he expects a McCain administration would inherit an economy “weighed down above all by the conviction of many Americans that economic conditions are the worst in two or three decades and that America is in decline.”

The Times quoted him as saying: “You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession. … We have sort of become a nation of whiners. …

“You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline. … We've never been more dominant; we've never had more natural advantages than we have today.”

Karen Finney, the Democratic National Committee’s communications director, said: “What John McCain, George Bush, Phil Gramm just don't understand is that the American people aren't whining about the state of the economy, they are suffering under the weight of it — the weight of eight years of Bush-enomics that John McCain and Phil Gramm have vowed to continue.

“How dare john McCain and his advisers so callously dismiss the challenges the American people face? No wonder voters feel john McCain is out of touch. He and his campaign don't even understand the everyday issues Americans are dealing with.”


Politico asked McCain for comment and we will add it when we receive it.
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