US 08 Presidential Campaign General Discussion Thread #8

[deep]

Originally Posted by anitram

Where is this rumor posted?

If a similar rumor was floating about Palin and breast cancer, there would be people here outraged at how dare we spread such terrible rumors about her.

if she get's indited on trooper gate or if there is a "smoking gun"

a brush with 'breast cancer" would be a good reason to step down

and let McCain go with whoever is polling best for him at that time

[namkcuR]

Hey, I have a question.

Why is New Hampshire different from the rest of New England, politically? The rest of New England is very liberal, but New Hampshire appears to be cut down the middle.

The Obama/Biden ticket currently has a 15 point lead in Maine, a 34 point lead in Vermont, a 12.6 point lead in Massachusetts, an 18.6 point lead in Connecticut, a 24.3 point lead in Rhode Island, a 16 point lead in New York, and a 10.7 point lead in New Jersey. Sheer dominance in that region.

But in New Hampshire?

The Obama/Biden ticket has a 0.3 point lead. A fraction of a point.

What makes New Hampshire so close, in the middle of region that the Obama/Biden ticket is dominating in?

[deep]

Originally Posted by namkcuR

Hey, I have a question.

Why is New Hampshire different from the rest of New England, politically? The rest of New England is very liberal, but New Hampshire appears to be cut down the middle.

The Obama/Biden ticket currently has a 15 point lead in Maine, a 34 point lead in Vermont, a 12.6 point lead in Massachusetts, an 18.6 point lead in Connecticut, a 24.3 point lead in Rhode Island, a 16 point lead in New York, and a 10.7 point lead in New Jersey. Sheer dominance in that region.

But in New Hampshire?

The Obama/Biden ticket has a 0.3 point lead. A fraction of a point.

What makes New Hampshire so close, in the middle of region that the Obama/Biden ticket is dominating in?

that is a pretty good question younger poster, replied older (deep) poster



New Hampshire GOP have always been moderates


one could also ask why is Florida always so close, Clinton won in 92 and 96 when all the states around them and solid GOP ?

What makes Florida so close, in the middle of region that the McCain is dominating in?

[namkcuR]

Originally Posted by deep

that is a pretty good question younger poster, replied older (deep) poster



New Hampshire GOP have always been moderates


one could also ask why is Florida always so close, Clinton won in 92 and 96 when all the states around them and solid GOP ?

What makes Florida so close, in the middle of region that the McCain is dominating in?

I always assumed that Florida's large Hispanic population was the reason it is usually close.

New Hampshire makes less sense to me.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by namkcuR

I always assumed that Florida's large Hispanic population was the reason it is usually close.

But remember the Hispanics in south Florida are almost exclusively Cubans.

And they have a history of voting for the Republicans because the GOP has an archaic and stupid Cuban foreign policy that everyone else in the free world abandoned decades ago.

[yolland]

phanan as I recall is from NH, he could probably give the best answer if he sees this. I know that state has a reputation for having a libertarian streak; for example, they have neither a general income tax nor a general sales tax (certain special types of income and goods are taxed).

As we've discussed in here before, FL is quite different culturally and socioeconomically from the rest of the South, especially southern FL.

[namkcuR]

Originally Posted by anitram

But remember the Hispanics in south Florida are almost exclusively Cubans.

And they have a history of voting for the Republicans because the GOP has an archaic and stupid Cuban foreign policy that everyone else in the free world abandoned decades ago.

While, the other obvious reason for Florida is because it is a coastal state. Lots of people from other states retire to Florida. Lots of celeb-types have second or even first homes in places like Miami or Orlando. The beaches and water there, and the culture that that creates, causes the makeup of the state population-wise to be considerably different from that of say, Alabama or whatever.

But New Hampshire's difference isn't as obvious.

[anitram]

NH is the only Kerry state that looks iffy for Obama.

It will be interesting to see how things shake out over there.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by anitram

If a similar rumor was floating about Palin and breast cancer, there would be people here outraged at how dare we spread such terrible rumors about her.

i am incredibly disappointed that deep is rumormongering in here. it's sad and pathetic and it's made me switch my vote from Obama to McCain.

now i'm never coming back to FYM again because of this shameless rumormongering.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by deep

New Hampshire GOP have always been moderates

not so much moderate as more FOAD types.

New Hampshire GOPers tend to be more like people from the big, square big sky states out West. there's no sales tax in NH (which is why everyone buys their booze there). the state motto is "Live Free or Die." essentially, all the pot-smoking hippie elitists live in VT and the gun-toting aggressive leave-me-lone types live in NH.

there's also a virtual lack of any urban areas. even though VT and ME are rural, they have educated urban-ish areas (Burlington, Portland). also, many, many New Yorkers and Bostonians have 2nd homes in Vermont, which has a better vacation infrastructure than does NH, and many eventually move there permanently (they're known as "flatlanders"). NH is starting to change as the Boston suburbs spread further and further north, but

[Se7en]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

i am incredibly disappointed that deep is rumormongering in here. it's sad and pathetic and it's made me switch my vote from Obama to McCain.

now i'm never coming back to FYM again because of this shameless rumormongering.

i geddit!!!!

[deep]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

i am incredibly disappointed that deep is rumormongering in here. it's sad and pathetic and it's made me switch my vote from Obama to McCain.

now i'm never coming back to FYM again because of this shameless rumormongering.

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so mean?

[phillyfan26]

Originally Posted by TheEdge U2JT

I dont see how you can criticize emotion in the same way as an inability to put 8 words together in a sentence if your teleprompter dies.

At least he tried to blame it on being tired and not acid reflux do a jig and run to his limo!

I've worked with and without teleprompters before. Here's the thing about teleprompters: they establish a completely different rhythm than speaking from the heart or from something even memorized. Probably the single most difficult thing I have done in public speaking, in fact, was having to adjust when a teleprompter gave out (other than having a small child bite me on the leg while announcing a baseball game) doing a sports report. I was merely trying to use the teleprompter to remind me of the direction I was to speak in, and was going to ad lib for the most part. But then it gave out and started printing random computer code, and I was completely thrown for a loop. It's shocking how much of a difference it makes, and I would have thought it much easier than it was until I actually did it.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by deep

y

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u

so mean?

the fact that you would even ask that question is homophobic.

i'm going to be like Sarah Palin and be unavailable for two weeks.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

i am incredibly disappointed that deep is rumormongering in here. it's sad and pathetic and it's made me switch my vote from Obama to McCain.

now i'm never coming back to FYM again because of this shameless rumormongering.

I have the oddest sense of dejavu...

[A_Wanderer]

Fight the smears

Barack Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife became executive director of the Chicago chapter of Public Allies in 1993. Obama plans to use the nonprofit group, which he features on his campaign Web site, as the model for a national service corps. He calls his Orwellian program, "Universal Voluntary Public Service."
Big Brother had nothing on the Obamas. They plan to herd American youth into government-funded reeducation camps where they'll be brainwashed into thinking America is a racist, oppressive place in need of "social change."
The pitch Public Allies makes on its Web site doesn't seem all that radical. It promises to place young adults (18-30) in paid one-year "community leadership" positions with nonprofit or government agencies. They'll also be required to attend weekly training workshops and three retreats.
In exchange, they'll get a monthly stipend of up to $1,800, plus paid health and child care. They also get a post-service education award of $4,725 that can be used to pay off past student loans or fund future education.
But its real mission is to radicalize American youth and use them to bring about "social change" through threats, pressure, tension and confrontation — the tactics used by the father of community organizing, Saul "The Red" Alinsky.
"Our alumni are more than twice as likely as 18-34 year olds to . . . engage in protest activities," Public Allies boasts in a document found with its tax filings. It has already deployed an army of 2,200 community organizers like Obama to agitate for "justice" and "equality" in his hometown of Chicago and other U.S. cities, including Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, New York, Phoenix, Pittsburgh and Washington. "I get to practice being an activist," and get paid for it, gushed Cincinnati recruit Amy Vincent.
Public Allies promotes "diversity and inclusion," a program paper says. More than 70% of its recruits are "people of color." When they're not protesting, they're staffing AIDS clinics, handing out condoms, bailing criminals out of jail and helping illegal aliens and the homeless obtain food stamps and other welfare.
Public Allies brags that more than 80% of graduates have continued working in nonprofit or government jobs. It's training the "next generation of nonprofit leaders" — future "social entrepreneurs."
The Obamas discourage work in the private sector. "Don't go into corporate America," Michelle has exhorted youth. "Work for the community. Be social workers." Shun the "money culture," Barack added. "Individual salvation depends on collective salvation."
"If you commit to serving your community," he pledged in his Denver acceptance speech, "we will make sure you can afford a college education." So, go through government to go to college, and then go back into government.
Many of today's youth find the pitch attractive. "I may spend the rest of my life trying to create social movement," said Brian Coovert of the Cincinnati chapter. "There is always going to be work to do. Until we have a perfect country, I'll have a job."
Not all the recruits appreciate the PC indoctrination. "It was too touchy-feely," said Nelly Nieblas, 29, of the 2005 Los Angeles class. "It's a lot of talk about race, a lot of talk about sexism, a lot of talk about homophobia, talk about -isms and phobias."
One of those -isms is "heterosexism," which a Public Allies training seminar in Chicago describes as a negative byproduct of "capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and male-dominated privilege."
The government now funds about half of Public Allies' expenses through Clinton's AmeriCorps. Obama wants to fully fund it and expand it into a national program that some see costing $500 billion. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the military, he said.
The gall of it: The Obamas want to create a boot camp for radicals who hate the military — and stick American taxpayers with the bill.

IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- Michelle's Boot Camps For Radicals

[devalera1]

How is it that you can be so quick to switch your vote? I mean, I assume that you were supporting the policies of Obama/Biden - how can you so quickly go from those policies to the policies of McCain/Palin?

[Diemen]

He has zero tolerance for rumormongering, what can I say?

[phillyfan26]

Originally Posted by devalera1

How is it that you can be so quick to switch your vote? I mean, I assume that you were supporting the policies of Obama/Biden - how can you so quickly go from those policies to the policies of McCain/Palin?

Free Your Mind breeds sarcasm.

[financeguy]

Sorry Wanderer, but that article is scaremongering nonsense and it doesn't do you a heck of a lot of credit that you posted it, frankly.

What precisely is wrong with 'social entrepeneurship' and working in the community?

Is the writer saying that that work in the community is less valid and less 'American', than, for example, working for an investment bank, or conquering Iraqis?

I'm starting to think, personally, that there's a certain amount of truth in the leftwing anti-globalist position that large corporations - with the help of their paid sponsors in the media - ARE fucking up the world.

And you know what? Capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and male-dominated privilege SHOULD be criticized, or at least held up for scrutiny. (Don't get me wrong, feminism should be held up for scrutiny also, on occasion.)


I seem to be shifting to a more left wing position on globalism and related matters, whilst adopting a moderate conservative position on social issues.