US 08 Presidential Campaign General Discussion Thread #8

[Lila64]

Originally Posted by diamond

it doesn't matter, sarah can kick greenspan's rump.

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

this is why America is doomed.

QFT

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

this is why America is doomed.

Yep, one of the many reasons...

[U2democrat]

Madeline Albright will be at my school this Saturday, having an Obama foreign policy town hall, and MY Young Dems is the sponsor (Shameless plug)

[mobvok]

The McCain campaign is evidently full of wimps who talk a big game but whine when things get tough:

MITCHELL: You are the first person from the McCain campaign I can ask, what did you think of Tina Fey as Sarah Palin?

FIORINA: Well, I think that she looked a bit like her. I think that, of course, the portrait was very dismissive of the substance of Sarah Palin, and so in that sense, they were defining Hillary Clinton as very substantive, and Sarah Palin as totally superficial. I think that continues the line of argument that is disrespectful in the extreme, and yes, I would say, sexist in the sense that just because Sarah Palin has different views than Hillary Clinton does not mean that she lacks substance. She has a lot of substance.

Congratulations, junior Orwell stooges at the McCain camp, you're halfway to redefining sexism into meaninglessness. That's how a sketch with one positive female portrayal and one negative female portrayal is *actually* prejudicial against all women.

edit maybe this should have gone in the Palin failn'? thread

[yolland]

I already posted this earlier (along with assorted other violations of this 'no-whining' rule) but...

Newsweek, March 2008

NEWSWEEK: Sarah Palin, you are a Republican and a conservative one at that. It's unlikely that you and Hillary would agree on too many issues. But, yet, as a woman, chief executive—someone who's been through the grinder—when you look at the coverage and you listen to the conversations, what do you see?

SARAH PALIN: Fair or unfair—and I do think that it's a more concentrated criticism that Hillary gets on so many fronts; I think that's unfortunate. But fair or unfair, I think she does herself a disservice to even mention it, really. You have to plow through that and know what you're getting into. I say this with all due respect to Hillary Clinton and to her experience and to her passion for changing the status quo. But when I hear a statement like that coming from a women candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism or a sharper microscope put on her, I think, man, that doesn't do us any good. Women in politics, women in general wanting to progress this country, I don't think it bodes well for her, a statement like that. Because, again, fair or not fair it is there. I think it's reality and it's a given, people just accept that she's going to be under a sharper microscope. So be it. Work harder, prove to yourself to an even greater degree that you're capable, that you're going to be the best candidate. That's what she wants us to believe at this point. So it bothers me a little bit to hear her bring that attention to herself on that level.

You want to talk the talk, well then better be up to walking the walk. Don't hide from the press, don't flee from taking questions on the stump, don't dive behind a "Truth Squad" charged with protecting you from sexism.

In any case, the SNL skit was hardly "positive" towards Hillary; on the contrary, it was playing to the hilt the stereotype of her as stiff, embittered, cutthroat and vengeful. And at the point where the Amazon Truth Squad is whining about a Saturday Night Live skit for f*'s sake...come on.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by mobvok

Congratulations, junior Orwell stooges at the McCain camp, you're halfway to redefining sexism into meaninglessness.

The sexist fundamentals of the campaign are sound.

[Vincent Vega]

Originally Posted by U2democrat

Madeline Albright will be at my school this Saturday, having an Obama foreign policy town hall, and MY Young Dems is the sponsor (Shameless plug)

Great, and we get Antonin Scalia teaching us how to interpret the US Constitution.

[U2democrat]

Originally Posted by Vincent Vega

Great, and we get Antonin Scalia teaching us how to interpret the US Constitution.

I'm sorry

[Lila64]

:Pray:

[mobvok]

Originally Posted by yolland

I already posted this earlier (along with assorted other violations of this 'no-whining' rule) but...

You want to talk the talk, well then better be up to walking the walk. Don't hide from the press, don't flee from taking questions on the stump, don't dive behind a "Truth Squad" charged with protecting you from sexism.

In any case, the SNL skit was hardly "positive" towards Hillary; on the contrary, it was playing to the hilt the stereotype of her as stiff, embittered, cutthroat and vengeful. And at the point where the Amazon Truth Squad is whining about a Saturday Night Live skit for f*'s sake...come on.

Hmm maybe "competent" would be a more accurate word then. I think SNL's character definitely focuses on her ambition, but I thought they've always been a little friendly toward her.

[yolland]

I haven't seen any other skits involving her as a character. But as far as that one goes--there are many more ways to mock a female politician than just suggesting she lacks a grasp of the issues, which was never Hillary's perception problem. For example, 'stiff, embittered, cutthroat and vengeful' = 'emasculating'.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by yolland

I haven't seen any other skits involving her as a character. But as far as that one goes--there are many more ways to mock a female politician than just suggesting she lacks a grasp of the issues, which was never Hillary's perception problem. For example, 'stiff, embittered, cutthroat and vengeful' = 'emasculating'.

Exactly.

And you know it amuses me that the poster here bemoaning sexism the most is the very same one who was posting photos of witches and making comments about Shrillary and so on. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

[phillyfan26]

Up until the last week, I never felt the need to use words like "scared" or "worried" if either candidate was elected.

Unfortunately, now I do.

[Harry Vest]

Originally Posted by yolland

I haven't seen any other skits involving her as a character. But as far as that one goes--there are many more ways to mock a female politician than just suggesting she lacks a grasp of the issues, which was never Hillary's perception problem. For example, 'stiff, embittered, cutthroat and vengeful' = 'emasculating'.

Hillary is STIFF, is EMBITTERED, is CUTTHROAT AND certainly is VENGEFUL.

Tell us something we don't already know.

[yolland]

And Sarah Palin really didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was, really did deny (McCain's position that) global warming is man-made, really did go from criticizing Hillary for "whining" to suddenly having only nice things to say about that courageous glass-ceiling-cracker, really was talked up by her handlers for the foreign policy gravitas that living right across the Strait from Vlad gives you, and really is being schmoozed over by her base for being a "babe" (as Rush gloated) brandishing a hunting rifle.

So how do we beat the bitch? That's an excellent question, isn't it?

Are you laughing yet?

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by Harry Vest

Hillary is STIFF, is EMBITTERED, is CUTTHROAT AND certainly is VENGEFUL.

Tell us something we don't already know.

Thank you for providing this valuable contribution to the discussion.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by Diemen

Thank you for providing this valuable contribution to the discussion.

There, now we've come full circle.

[corianderstem]

I'm going to put in for two vacation days in November - election day and the day after.

I intend on spending election day (post-voting, naturally) watching the TV with a bottle of vodka in front of me. Or possibly in bed with a pillow over my head, waiting until it's all over.

[Dreadsox]

Washington Times - Records show McCain more bipartisan

Sen. John McCain's record of working with Democrats easily outstrips Sen. Barack Obama's efforts with Republicans, according to an analysis by The Washington Times of their legislative records.

Whether looking at bills they have led on or bills they have signed onto, Mr. McCain has reached across the aisle far more frequently and with more members than Mr. Obama since the latter came to the Senate in 2005.

In fact, by several measures, Mr. McCain has been more likely to team up with Democrats than with members of his own party. Democrats made up 55 percent of his political partners over the last two Congresses, including on the tough issues of campaign finance and global warming. For Mr. Obama, Republicans were only 13 percent of his co-sponsors during his time in the Senate, and he had his biggest bipartisan successes on noncontroversial measures, such as issuing a postage stamp in honor of civil rights icon Rosa Parks.

With calls for change in Washington dominating the campaign, both Mr. Obama, the Democrats' presidential nominee, and Mr. McCain, his Republican opponent, have claimed the mantle of bipartisanship.

But since 2005, Mr. McCain has led as chief sponsor of 82 bills, on which he had 120 Democratic co-sponsors out of 220 total, for an average of 55 percent. He worked with Democrats on 50 of his bills, and of those, 37 times Democrats outnumber Republicans as co-sponsors.

[Utoo]

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