US 08 Presidential Campaign General Discussion Thread #8

[anitram]

John McCain is a liar. And it appears there isn't a paper in the country that isn't calling him on it these days.

John McCain is trying to claim that black is white when he argues that his running mate, Sarah Palin, has not accepted earmarks as Governor of Alaska. While it is true that she has sought fewer earmarks than her predecessor, Governor Frank Murkowski, Alaska still leads the nation in terms of per capita spending on earmarks, according to Citizens Against Government Waste. ...

Four Pinocchios for McCain for his clumsy attempt to rewrite history.

Weekend edition - Fact Checker

[diamond]

..and name calling has never won elections..

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[anitram]

No, it never has.

"Flip flopper"

[BVS]

Originally Posted by diamond

she's a thorn in the side to the women's movement.
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Wait, I thought you said she was feminist? How can she be a feminist, and a thorn in the side of the women's movement?

McCain is really rubbing off on everyone, you all seem to think you can double speak.

[corianderstem]

I live in a neighborhood that's known as the Scandinavian neighborhood of Seattle. And I just bought this shirt. It makes me smile. (If this isn't a great place to post it or isn't appropriate here, yolland, let me know.)

[Lila64]

Originally Posted by diamond

..and name calling has never won elections..

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and hopefully lying won't either

[diamond]

Originally Posted by BonoVoxSupastar

Wait, I thought you said she was feminist? How can she be a feminist, and a thorn in the side of the women's movement?

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i want you to try on this one, reeeeally try.
i contend a female can be a feminist w/o being part of the women's movement.

wrap your brain around that one.



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[U2DMfan]

She's a feminist because of who she is, not what she does?

There's probably some kind of truth in that idea but I don't know how much sense it really makes.

Let's just say it would have to defintitely be a different kind of feminism.

[Bluer White]

There are no pro-life feminists. Didn't you get the N.O.W. memo ?

[Se7en]

more like political expediency:

chastise the femi-nazis when they offend you.

high-jack feminism when it benefits you.

standard, really.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by Utoo

Folks, what do we think of McCain's argument as to why his campaign has gotten so slimy:

"Well, if Senator Obama had done as I asked and agreed to doing town hall meetings, the campaign wouldn't be like this."

Honestly, this is so unbelievably juvenile pathetic it blows me away. How does a grown man running for the most powerful office in the land let that kind of absolutely asinine logic slip out of his mouth, let alone stand as justification for even more deceitful and dishonorable tactics?

His convention speech reminded me of the reasons I first liked him, and a brief flicker of hope rekindled that we might actually see some of "the maverick" come back and restore some honor to the Republican/Rovian way of politicking. It's a real shame that speech turned out to be a complete sham.

What an utter disgrace.

[yolland]

Originally Posted by Se7en

more like political expediency:

chastise the femi-nazis when they offend you.

high-jack feminism when it benefits you.

standard, really.

This is certainly a glaringly, conspicuously new line of argument coming from the social conservative camp: "Oh we love feminism, always have! We think it's right-on! An idea whose time has come! It's just that we want more of a space opened up in it for conservative ideas, is all!"

It's a no-brainer that women who favor Democratic policies on women's and family issues--which, obviously, include tax policy, healthcare, education, eldercare, and civil rights as well as being pro-choice--aren't going to vote for a ticket with different policies on all those issues simply because there's a woman on it. You'd have to have a pretty low opinion of women to expect them to do that, just as you would to expect that socially and fiscally conservative women would've voted for Hillary simply because she was female.

[phillyfan26]

This election has turned nightmarish, hasn't it? I mean, take any worst case scenario on an Obama-McCain matchup and throw it out. No one could have predicted the lows McCain has hit. No one. I expected better of him. Many did.

But, as always, that little "R" next to his name will win out with the conservative crowd, no matter what he does.

[diamond]

Originally Posted by U2DMfan

She's a feminist because of who she is, not what she does?

There's probably some kind of truth in that idea but I don't know how much sense it really makes.

Let's just say it would have to defintitely be a different kind of feminism.

unorthodox feminism?

[MrsSpringsteen]

Sarah Palin is the right kind of feminist.

[diamond]

and wrong for others..

[MrsSpringsteen]

You know what I mean

Kid tested, diamond approved

No Sarah Palin witch photos? What a letdown..

[diamond]

hard to do w an 80% per cent approval rating.


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[MrsSpringsteen]

Yes I'm sure approval ratings have a direct correlation with witch photos

[BVS]

Originally Posted by diamond

i contend a female can be a feminist w/o being part of the women's movement.

Well my point is, I'm wondering how you define the "women's movement"?