US 08 Presidential Campaign General Discussion Thread #8

[BVS]

Originally Posted by financeguy

You are really offering a hostage to fortune with statements like that.

How so?

[deep]

Originally Posted by Lila64

Did anyone watch Obama on Letterman last night? In case you missed it

I almost TIVOed it.

But, I knew it would be made available, here.

thanks


someone told me he joked about being a centerfold

celebrities, these days

[yolland]

How'd your debate go, deep?

[INDY500]

Sept. 11 (Bloomberg) -- The dollar rose to the highest level in a year against the euro on speculation that economic growth in Europe will be slower than in the U.S., prompting the region's central bank to lower interest rates.

Los Angeles Times August 29, 2008
Tax rebate checks and robust exports helped the U.S. economy grow at a faster-than-expected rate in the second quarter, the government reported Thursday.
U.S. gross domestic product increased at a brisk 3.3% annual pace in the April-June quarter, according to the Commerce Department. That was the best showing since the third quarter of 2007, beating the government's earlier estimates of a 1.9% growth rate and topping economists' forecasts of 2.7%.

Good news the Obama/Biden ticket won't be talking about.

[deep]

Originally Posted by yolland

How'd your debate go, deep?

several people have told be it went well


here is the article that was in our local paper

Council candidates spar at public forum



From left, Steve Rosansky, Gloria Alkire, Keith Curry and Dolores Otting take part in a forum for Newport Beach City Council candidates at Newport Beach Yacht Club on Wednesday.

Incumbents cite past efforts as challengers dispute transparency and call for new voices on the Newport dais.

By Michael Miller

Updated: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:34 PM PDT


NEWPORT BEACH — Mayor Ed Selich is running unopposed for reelection this year, so he opted out of most of Wednesday night’s candidates forum at the Newport Beach Yacht Club. Still, the mayor delivered an opening address that amounted to a ringing endorsement for his two colleagues seeking a second term.

“I ask you to think real hard on election day,” he said. “As well as this city is running, why would you want to change horses?”

It was a rhetorical question, but the two challengers for City Council seats this year, businesswoman Dolores Otting and retired educator Gloria Alkire, answered it more than once. Throughout the hourlong debate, Councilmen Keith Curry and Steve Rosansky cited their achievements in office while Otting attacked the city government as secretive and financially irresponsible and Alkire made a broad appeal to voters to consider new voices on the council.

About 150 people attended the debate, which was sponsored by the nonprofit Speak Up Newport. deep - no last name, the nonprofit’s president, moderated and asked the questions submitted by the audience. Each candidate got to direct a question to his or her opponent.

Echoing the mayor’s opening comments, Rosansky and Curry used their track records to make cases for reelection. Rosansky mentioned his efforts to limit expansion of John Wayne Airport and install road improvements. Curry cited the Newport Coast Community Center and other facilities that were built or started construction during his term.

“Long Beach has a bay. Huntington Beach has a beach. What makes Newport special? It’s the quality of the decisions we make as a community,” Curry said at one point.

Otting, his opponent, disputed the notion that most of Newport’s recent projects have been community efforts. She accused the council of relying too heavily on ad hoc committees that operated out of the public eye and urged the city to spend less. As an alternative, she said, the city could rely on wealthy citizens to contribute money for fire stations and other projects.

After the debate, Curry dismissed that idea, saying donations wouldn’t be reliable to keep the city growing steadily. He also said ad hoc committees helped the city negotiate the best deals possible.

“Our officials are not corrupt,” Curry said. “Our government is not in secret. In fact, it’s very open and well-run.”

Rosansky and Alkire were more relaxed throughout the forum, with the incumbent praising the city’s work on the recent rehab homes ordinance — which he called “the most cutting-edge” in California — while his opponent argued that the agreement with Sober Living by the Sea benefited the group homes’ owners more than residents.

Otherwise, Alkire spent more time talking about her desire to give voters a choice than attacking specific actions by the current council. Rosansky, in his question to her, recited a list of recent projects in Newport Beach and asked which ones, if any, Alkire opposed. She replied that she couldn’t argue any of them.

“I hope you all come out and vote, because that’s important no matter who you choose,” she said in her closing statement.

[Lila64]

Originally Posted by deep

I almost TIVOed it.

But, I knew it would be made available, here.

thanks


someone told me he joked about being a centerfold

celebrities, these days

Did you actually watch the clips?
If so, you would know what that centerfold comment was about. I believe they were referring to how Obama used to be on the cover of Time, Newsweek, etc., and then Obama said something to the effect (since Palin has come on the scene) that he's relegated now to mags like Popular Mechanics. Maybe he'd be the centerfold.

[diamond]

i was hoping to be the 666th post in this thread.



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sh#t i missed.



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[yolland]

I can delete one of your other posts to make it work if you like.

j/k

[diamond]

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Good news the Obama/Biden ticket won't be talking about.

there is that 6.2% unemployment thing.

[Se7en]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

there is that 6.2% unemployment thing.

indeed.

Bloomberg.com: U.S.

[anitram]

For all the talk here about how Obama's supporters are hurting him, well this one has got to take the cake. Michelle Malkin comes through with what is undoubtedly the most idiotic commentary of this campaign.

Barack Obama flings a memorial rose at Ground Zero like he’s a kid tossing pennies into a fountain at the shopping mall — or a spectator tossing flowers at a bullfight.

He doesn’t know what he’s doing.

(Clueless NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg copies him.)

By contrast, John McCain and his wife kneel and gently, somberly, place their roses down at the foot of the 9/11 tribute.

This is the same woman who made Rachael Rae take off her terrorist scarf, so it should come as little surprise.

[Diemen]

Michelle Malkin: a better looking Ann Coulter.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by anitram

For all the talk here about how Obama's supporters are hurting him, well this one has got to take the cake. Michelle Malkin comes through with what is undoubtedly the most idiotic commentary of this campaign.

Michelle Malkin makes Ann Coulter look sane.

i actually visit her website every day to see who's next on her "people to kill" list. i have never ever seen a more mendacious, vicious, and generally hateful "mainstream" commentator.

[anitram]

AP:

The straight talk express has detoured into doublespeak.
...

Republican presidential nominee John McCain, a self-proclaimed tell-it-like-it-is maverick, keeps saying his running mate, Sarah Palin, killed the federally funded Bridge to Nowhere when, in fact, she pulled her support only after the project became a political embarrassment. He accuses Democrat Barack Obama of calling Palin a pig, which did not happen. He says Obama would raise nearly everyone's taxes, when independent groups say 80 percent of families would get tax cuts instead.

NYT:

Did you hear about how Barack Obama wants to have sex education in kindergarten, and called Sarah Palin a pig? Did you hear about how Ms. Palin told Congress, "Thanks, but no thanks" when it wanted to buy Alaska a Bridge to Nowhere?

These stories have two things in common: they’re all claims recently made by the McCain campaign — and they’re all out-and-out lies.

Thanks, media, for catching on.

[2861U2]

I can't find it on youtube at the moment, but Obama just released an ad mocking McCain for not knowing how to use a computer or send an email.

For all the supposedly mean ads that McCain has put out recently, you guys can't possibly think this new ad isn't idiotic as well.

[2861U2]

Originally Posted by namkcuR

They won't do it. I'd be shocked if they did it. Hilary doesn't want it.

They would lose. Obama has consistently said that he picked Biden because he's the best person he could think of to help him govern. If he tossed him out and grabbed Hillary, he would be abandoning the supposed good of the country just to help him win. It would be a very low move, though I'm not convinced it won't happen yet.

[2861U2]

Originally Posted by namkcuR

Hmm...

Rasmussen Poll with an end date of 09/07 had McCain up by 7 in Ohio - 51-44.

But a Quinnipiac poll with an end date of 09/09 and a sample size nearly three times larger than that of the Rasmussen poll has Obama up by 5 - 49-44. Interesting.

Also of interest, the most recent CNN/Time poll for New Hampshire, with an end date of 09/09 - looks to be the most recent poll we have for NH at this point - has Obama's lead increased to six points - 51-45.

Of concern is that the most recent poll for New Mexico - a Rasmussen poll with an end date of 09/08 - has McCain suddenly ahead by two points - 49-47, where Obama had had a fairly comfortable advantage there up to this point.

No recent enough polls for Indiana, but rumblings are the the Obama campaign's internal polling says that Indiana is close enough for them to take out considerable television ad time and maybe schedule some campaign appearances there.

Still waiting for a new poll for Nevada - nothing beyond 08/26 there.

All recent polling suggests that Obama still has a slim lead in Colorado.

Rasmussen poll with an end date of 09/07 has McCain up by 2 in Virginia - 49-47, as does a SurveyUSA poll with an end date of 09/07, while a CNN/Time poll with an end date of 09/09 has McCain up by 4 there - 50-46.

CNN/Time gives Obama a 4 point - 49-45 - lead in Michigan as of 09/09, while two other polls give him a 1 point - 45-44 and 47-46 - lead in Michigan as of 09/07.

In Pennsylvania, as of 09/09, Quinnipiac has Obama up by 3 - 48-45, while as of 09/07, Rasmussen and Strategic Vision have him up by 2 - 47-45. Many are suggesting that Pennsylvania is not as close as it looks - that it will go Obama.

In Florida, a Rasmussen poll with an end date of 09/07 has it tied, while three other polls - PPP with an end date of 09/07, Quinnipiac with an end date of 09/09, and InAdv/Pollposition with an end date of 09/10 - have McCain up by 5 - 50-45, 7 - 50-43, and 8 - 50-42, respectively.

Interesting times.

It's also interesting that McCain has been closing the gap in Washington state. Obama has been up by double digits since the beginning, but Rasmussen's latest poll puts the gap at just two. If he could pull off those 11 votes, that would be big.

[2861U2]

Gallup has consistently had the Democrats winning big in Congress, but it's now very close.

December '07: Democrats up 53-40
February '08: Democrats up 55-40
June '08: Democrats up 51-40
August '08: Democrats up 51-40
September '08: Democrats up 48-45

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110263/Ba...mpetitive.aspx