US 08 Presidential Campaign General Discussion Thread #8

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by flybabe

No this is just Priceless,you think your right about everything so WTF ever...

You do realize that the link you provided pretty much calls out the McCain campaign for smearing his opponent with lies, right?

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by Strongbow

Oh my, now were questioning the integrity of other forum members because they disagree with their political views. Interesting.

Wrong. It's questioning the integrity of forum members who apparently have absolutely no problem with a candidate openly lying to the American people about his opponent.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by flybabe

No this is just Priceless,you think your right about everything so WTF ever...

You didn't even read the link you posted did you?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Harry Vest

If the Dems do this it will look like the final act of desperation and will backfire on them tenfold.

Like I said it's just a rumor, but if true Obama would have to do something.

[dazzlingamy]

I watched and interview with Matt Damon, and yes i know, liberal actor what does he know etc (expect that i think he is so articulate and interesting, and RIGHT...*) but he did bring up an point, in saying that Palin has no experience, and yet if anything happens to Mccain she could be the next president, who has no no no idea how to run a country and yet, people are talking about how great she is, and mccain/palin could take it!

also, even our news story talked about the pig in lipstick remark. F*ck me, the republicans have to stretch to make anything look bad they're transparent. Oh Mccain can say it over and over again, and Obama says it once, probably in jest of MCcain, but maybe not, and they act like he's a woman hater. They seem to read so far in between the lines, its a mile wide. Really is pissed me off that people can use something as trivial and stupid like this and it would actually SWAY people away from Obama. Its just a crock of shit.






*and SEXY!

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Diemen

Wrong. It's questioning the integrity of forum members who apparently have absolutely no problem with a candidate openly lying to the American people about his opponent.

yes, exactly. taking the time to an entire response that -- surprise, surprise -- twists every statement i make seems like a waste of time on a morning like this. he sets up false choices -- either an Obama tsunami or a McCain victory, or else GOTCHA! you're WRONG! -- and then when neither happens, we get the internet triumphalism dance.

and Truman was unpopular not because of the Korean War but *despite* it. but, yes, let's keep up the endless Truman comparisons because it's easier than actually thinking.

and then there's the always ironic:

Instead of repeating outdated liberal talking points on Iraq, try reading a little history about Saddam and Iraq prior to 2003.

which is just ... man. if *anyone* in here has talking points, and if *anyone* doesn't know a thing about Iraq beyond the prism of Saddam-is-a-bad-man ...

[melon]

Originally Posted by dazzlingamy

F*ck me, the republicans have to stretch to make anything look bad they're transparent. Oh Mccain can say it over and over again, and Obama says it once, probably in jest of MCcain, but maybe not, and they act like he's a woman hater.

Again, the media likes a circus. In the case of the Republican Party, which is already perceived as the party of patriarchal, intolerant, small-minded bigots, any overture outside of that rigid mold is going to be perceived positively by the media, because, again, the bar for the GOP is set so low as to be insignificant. In the case of the Democratic Party, which is perceived as the party of inclusiveness, tolerance, and diversity, the media is more than happy to pick up on any perceived crack in this facade, because people supposedly like to expose hypocrisy.

So let's pat the GOP on the back for showing people that they don't really hate women just on the basis of one VP pick, but let's rip apart those nasty Democrats for not doing far, far more than they have already done!

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by diamond

but joe does botox and hairplugs.
that's flash and schnizzle.



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so does rick pitino. i still want him coaching my team.

[Irvine511]

dead-on WaPo op-ed:

What's the Pig Deal?

With a phony flap and a misleading attack ad, the McCain campaign sinks into silliness.

Thursday, September 11, 2008; A16

IT'S HARD to think of a presidential campaign with a wider chasm between the seriousness of the issues confronting the country and the triviality, so far anyway, of the political discourse. On a day when the Congressional Budget Office warned of looming deficits and a grim economic outlook, when the stock market faltered even in the wake of the government's rescue of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, when President Bush discussed the road ahead in Iraq and Afghanistan, on what did the campaign of Sen. John McCain spend its energy? A conference call to denounce Sen. Barack Obama for using the phrase "lipstick on a pig" and a new television ad accusing the Democrat of wanting to teach kindergartners about sex before they learn to read.

Mr. Obama's supposedly offending remark was not only not offensive -- it also was not directed at Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. "The other side, suddenly, they're saying 'we're for change too,' " Mr. Obama said. "You can put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig." With a woman on the ticket, apparently all references to cosmetics -- or pork of the non-bridge variety, for that matter -- are forbidden. "Sen. Obama owes Gov. Palin an apology," sniffed former Massachusetts governor Jane Swift. "Calling a very prominent female governor of one of our states a pig is not exactly what we want to see." No matter that Mr. McCain used the lipstick-on-a-pig phrase himself, referring to (female) Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's health-care plan, or that (female) former McCain aide Torie Clarke wrote a book with that title. In the heat of a campaign, operatives will pounce on any misstep and play to the referees over any arguable foul. We understand that, and certainly the Obama campaign has not been above such tactics. But this cynical use of the gender card is unusually silly.

The kindergarten sex ad, exhuming an argument that Republican Alan Keyes used against Mr. Obama in his 2004 Senate race, was equally ridiculous. "Obama's one accomplishment?" the narrator asks. "Legislation to teach 'comprehensive sex education' -- to kindergartners. Learning about sex before learning to read? Barack Obama: wrong on education. Wrong for your family." As a state senator, Mr. Obama voted for -- though he did not sponsor -- a measure that set out standards for non-mandatory sex and health education. It required that instruction be "age and developmentally appropriate" and allowed parents to have their children opt out. To call this an accomplishment seems a departure for a campaign that was insisting just last week that Mr. Obama had no legislation to his credit, conveniently ignoring his significant work on a lobbying reform bill. Mr. Obama's support for the Illinois measure seems both reasonable and relatively unimportant.

John McCain is a serious man who promised to wage a serious campaign. Win or lose, will he be able to look back on this one with pride? Right now, it's hard to see how.

it's interesting to still see McCain's "base" -- aka, the media -- still cutting him slack and thinking that this campaign isn't his fault, it's those meanie Rove advisers who have taken control from the Good Soldier, and shucks, that's just what it takes to win in politics these days. what can you do.

when is the always pro-McCain media going to start to wrap it's head around the idea that maybe, just maybe, the whole idea of "honorable" and "maverick" McCain is just a charade, and the Palin pick pulled back the curtains.

[anitram]

Well if we are to believe that McCain is an honourable man who has fallen victim to Rove and has no say in his own campaign then pray tell how are we supposed to believe that once he gets into office he'll suddenly be this paragon of moderate thought, appointing moderate judges and working with a Dem-controlled Congress.

Talk about cognitive dissonance.

[anitram]

McCain sounds like he's out to pasture:

http://www.wcsh6.com/video/default.a...ject=850878100

Reporter asked him what Palin's national security experience is and he said "energy" and then talked about the natural gas pipeline, saying that Palin knows more about energy than anyone else in America (!).

It's like a comedy routine.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by anitram

Well if we are to believe that McCain is an honourable man who has fallen victim to Rove and has no say in his own campaign then pray tell how are we supposed to believe that once he gets into office he'll suddenly be this paragon of moderate thought, appointing moderate judges and working with a Dem-controlled Congress.

Talk about cognitive dissonance.

John McCain is a Good Man who's a Straight Talker and a Maverick who will bring Change to Washington. that's all we need to know.

that and the fact that Sarah Palin has a baby. that's all you need to know about her.

stop with your questions. you're like the media, asking rude things. like Putin, she'll talk when she's good and ready, and on her terms, so long as you are "deferential" and aren't sexist.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by anitram

McCain sounds like he's out to pasture:

He is. Like I said before he's riding her coattails right now, when some of you realize her coattails aren't long enough you're going to realize you picked the wrong guy, and your wrong guy picked the wrong woman.

[diamond]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

dead-on WaPo op-ed:





it's interesting to still see McCain's "base" -- aka, the media -

[Utoo]

Originally Posted by BonoVoxSupastar

He is. Like I said before he's riding her coattails right now

He absolutely is. Every single shot on tv of McCain campaigning in the last week is actually of McCain standing next to Palin as she speaks at the podium.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by diamond

you realize, sweet pea, that John McCain himself has called the media "my base" for years.

[2861U2]

Originally Posted by namkcuR

Olbermann's special comment tonight, tearing not only McCain, but the whole GOP really, for the way they've turned 9/11 into 9/11 with a trademark, a political tool. I think it is phenomenal, but I'm sure a good deal of you will think it's over the top.

I know I'm obsessed with this guy, but this made me laugh

YouTube - How Keith Olbermann Tonight Made Himself Worst Person!

[Irvine511]

wow. you can't make this shit up:

"We're not going to spend $3 million of your tax dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana," McCain said earlier this year, referring to a request from Montana for federal money to study the endangered grizzly bear. "I don't know if it was a paternity issue or criminal, but it was a waste of money."

According to a “summary of requests for federal appropriations” posted to her budget office’s website earlier this year, Palin requested millions of federal dollars for everything from improving recreational halibut fishing to studying the mating habits of crabs and the DNA of harbor seals.

[namkcuR]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

I know I'm obsessed with this guy, but this made me laugh

You posted this same thing last night. One has nothing to do with the other. For starters, the clip you post is an obviously doctored clip. The creator makes no effort to make it look like it's real.

Secondly, Olbermann was ripping the guy a new one for making fun of Jon Stewart's monologue on the first Daily Show after 9/11 - a monologue that YOU complimented in the 9/11 thread.

I don't understand why you're posting an unfunny doctored clip in response to a special comment.

[Utoo]

Originally Posted by namkcuR

I don't understand why you're posting an unfunny doctored clip in response to a special comment.

Following his "honorable" presidential candidate's example of making stuff up to score slimy points?