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Even if she meant that her family knows better than anyone else's what the impact of war is (as opposed to saying it's the only family who understands), it would be an appallingly insulting statement.
__________________I'm assuming that's what she meant and it doesn't really make it any better in my eyes. In fact I find it personally insulting. |
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I live in Los Angels but travel to AZ, NM, NV and people I meet are different in all these places. What I find most important here in LA might be different for someone in Davenport, IA or Lincoln, AK. I guess it will come down to what the people in CO, OH, NV, NM, and FL think. I know CA is done. The election day map will show the entire state in red with the exception of LA and SF but that will be more than enough for the Dems. |
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What, no benefit of the doubt? Would it be different if it was Michelle Obama on that clip? Remember, she got nailed for the "1st time I have been proud of my country" statement. It was a poor choice of words on her part. Did you feel the same about her? As an American did you find her words insulting? I would think having a father that spent 5 years in a Vietnam prison while serving his country, in the same way as being a wounded Vet like John Kerry, you would afford some grace. It does not always happen, obviously. But, IMO, it doesn't make it right. |
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Red/ Blue area maps are really pointless. In Nevada. if one got all the voters in only Vegas and Reno 5% of the most populated area, they would probably get 95 % of the entire population. If area is what matters than Russia is the winner. Voters should be all that matters. I have been voting in CA since the 70s and my vote for President has neven been important. Right now I believe only voters in Ohio, NH, Colorado and perhaps Virginia have any real say in Nov 2008. |
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I think she meant to say that they understand the price of war. Her great grandfather fought in WWII, was away from home for many years, and died the day he came home. Her fathers captivity, torture, and eventual release, paid a price on his first family, and impacted his physical abilities for the rest of his life. Her grandfather made wartime decisions with bombing, that could have been dropped on his captive son. So, yes, her father is better suited than any of the candidates, as is her family, in the price that war has on American lives.
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Thats why our all or nothing electoral system sucks. I feel a system like the one used for the nominations would be better. Getting electorates based on the percentage of the vote. The Republicans would not be locked out of places like CA and NY and the Democrats would have middle America in play. All votes would be important not the ones from a just a few states. Voter turn out might be better if everyone's vote really did matter. It will never happen though. I dont think either side would be willing to give up is strong holds. |
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There are many (thousands?) of other families in the US who understand the price of war as well as her family does. And millions more around the world who I believe arguably understand the price of war even better. |
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I did not realize she was an experienced politician.
I for one do not believe McCain's surge in the polls has a lot to do with the convention. It has to do with the attacks and mudslinging. Currently, the more moderate voters are being pushed their way do to the treatment of people not running for the office. |
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I agree with your assessment. They are a military family that has suffered physically and emotionally due to the service of our country. I think she was speaking with regards the their family's perspective on service and sacrifice. |
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Who said she was? She wasn't making a political statement nor asserting a policy directive.
I'm not sure what experience you believe one needs in order not to make statements like that? She is an adult "child" who is being sent out on the campaign trail. Which is why I said if they want her to play that role, they should give her acceptable talking points. |
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Then let's make adds and put it out there on the TV. And the Right can put out ADD's with Obama and his wife with their slips and we will not debate the issues, and you can bet your sweet ass, that the voters will go the republican way when the mud slinging is done.
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I think the way you throw around "mud slinging" and similar overreactive phrases, they've really lost all of their shock value.
Nobody is mud slinging here, it's an observation which struck me as particularly irritating since it's always the Republicans who act as if they hold the trademark for patriotic virtue. |
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This kind of Gotch politics does nothing but muddy the waters when we all know better. "But you said 'My Muslim Faith.' I heard you say it. I saw it on YouTube!" |
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There is no gotcha politics here as I don't think anybody is making ads or writing articles about this. I brought it up because I saw it on YouTube and thought it was a dumb thing to say. Who's saying "gotcha" here? I don't see anybody pushing for this to be an issue. As an aside, I also found it incredibly irritating when Laura Bush said that "nobody" suffers as much as George Bush does over this war. It's insulting to people who have lost others. Pointing out the insensitivity of a statement isn't mud slinging or playing gotcha politics. |
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But lets not forget that Obama has the military service question covered Quote:
I have not read his two memoirs but friends that have do not remember Obama talking about his desire to be in the military service And please keep in mind that is was 1979 when Obama graduated, the action was over if it was 1970 and the boys were coming home in flag draped coffins, Obama would have been fist in line to sign up for a "dumb" war? |
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I have not attacked you personally, I made a point. Overreactive?
![]() Do you believe going after his daughter for the statement she made is going to help Obama or not? Do you believe that the gains of the last week are due to the Convention? Or could it be the blogosphere rumors about Palin and her family are taking their toll? The point I made over a week ago is coming true. The center will move right when families are attacked. |
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Have there been published articles in major news sources? Reports on CNN, NBC and the like? Ads put out by the Obama campaign? By a 527? |
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Well, at least she did not say, "I am a Muslim" or "Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it." |
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