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Old 07-29-2008, 11:23 PM   #81
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I hope so.
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Are you sure?

if they don't vote Nader?
who will they pull the lever for?

socialized health care,
an immediate end to the war,
and making corporations accountable
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Trying to be evenhanded is dishonest.
Why?

I'm not advocating feigning indifference nor shrinking from taking positions on the issues, rather ruing the amount of time spent on trifles and settling for damage control on the same, rather than a more substantive dialogue on policy issues and a willingness to critically examine both candidates, not just the one you don't prefer.
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So, any other Nader Raiders here at Interference? Or am I the only one voting for true socialized health care, an immediate end to the war, and making corporations accountable?
a vote for Nader is a vote for McCain.
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Why?

I'm not advocating feigning indifference nor shrinking from taking positions on the issues, rather ruing the amount of time spent on trifles and settling for damage control on the same, rather than a more substantive dialogue on policy issues and a willingness to critically examine both candidates, not just the one you don't prefer.
I should rephrase, claiming to be unbiased is dishonest in most cases, and there is a distinction between that and being evenhanded.
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Cable talking heads accuse broadcast networks of liberal bias -- but a think tank finds that ABC, NBC and CBS were tougher on Barack Obama than on John McCain in recent weeks.

By James Rainey, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
July 27, 2008
Haters of the mainstream media reheated a bit of conventional wisdom last week.

Barack Obama, they said, was getting a free ride from those insufferable liberals.


Such pronouncements, sorry to say, tend to be wrong since they describe a monolithic media that no longer exists. Information today cascades from countless outlets and channels, from the Huffington Post to Politico.com to CBS News and beyond.

But now there's additional evidence that casts doubt on the bias claims aimed -- with particular venom -- at three broadcast networks.

The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, where researchers have tracked network news content for two decades, found that ABC, NBC and CBS were tougher on Obama than on Republican John McCain during the first six weeks of the general-election campaign.

You read it right: tougher on the Democrat.

During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.

Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.


Conservatives have been snarling about the grotesque disparity revealed by another study, the online Tyndall Report, which showed Obama receiving more than twice as much network air time as McCain in the last month and a half. Obama got 166 minutes of coverage in the seven weeks after the end of the primary season, compared with 67 minutes for McCain, according to longtime network-news observer Andrew Tyndall.

I wrote last week that the networks should do more to better balance the air time. But I also suggested that much of the attention to Obama was far from glowing.

That earned a spasm of e-mails that described me as irrational, unpatriotic and . . . somehow . . . French.

But the center's director, RobertLichter, who has won conservative hearts with several of his previous studies, told me the facts were the facts.

"This information should blow away this silly assumption that more coverage is always better coverage," he said.

Here's a bit more on the research, so you'll understand how the communications professor and his researchers arrived at their conclusions.

The center reviews and "codes" statements on the evening news as positive or negative toward the candidates. For example, when NBC reporter Andrea Mitchell said in June that Obama "has problems" with white men and suburban women, the media center deemed that a negative.

The positive and negative remarks about each candidate are then totaled to calculate the percentages that cut for and against them.

Visual images and other more subjective cues are not assessed. But the tracking applies a measure of analytical rigor to a field rife with seat-of-the-pants fulminations.

The media center's most recent batch of data covers nightly newscasts beginning June 8, the day after Hillary Rodham Clinton conceded the Democratic nomination, ushering in the start of the general-election campaign. The data ran through Monday, as Obama began his overseas trip.

Most on-air statements during that time could not be classified as positive or negative, Lichter said. The study found, on average, less than two opinion statements per night on the candidates on all three networks combined -- not exactly embracing or pummeling Obama or McCain. But when a point of view did emerge, it tended to tilt against Obama.

That was a reversal of the trend during the primaries, when the same researchers found that 64% of statements about Obama -- new to the political spotlight -- were positive, but just 43% of statements about McCain were positive.

Such reversals are nothing new in national politics, as reporters tend to warm up to newcomers, then turn increasingly critical when such candidates emerge as front-runners.

It might be tempting to discount the latest findings by Lichter's researchers. But this guy is anything but a liberal toady.

In 2006, conservative cable showmen Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly had Lichter, a onetime Fox News contributor, on their programs. They heralded his findings in the congressional midterm election: that the networks were giving far more positive coverage to the Democrats.

More proof of the liberal domination of the media, Beck and O'Reilly declared.

Now the same researchers have found something less palatable to those conspiracy theorists.

But don't expect cable talking heads to end their trashing of the networks.

Repeated assertions that the networks are in the tank for Democrats represent not only an article of faith on Fox, but a crucial piece of branding. On Thursday night, O'Reilly and his trusty lieutenant Bernard Goldberg worked themselves into righteous indignation -- again -- about the liberal bias they knew was lurking.

Goldberg seemed gleeful beyond measure in saying that "they're fiddling while their ratings are burning."

O'Reilly assured viewers that "the folks" -- whom he claims to treasure far more than effete network executives do -- "understand what's happening."

By the way, Lichter's group also surveys the first half-hour of "Special Report With Brit Hume," Fox News' answer to the network evening news shows.

The review found that, since the start of the general-election campaign, "Special Report" offered more opinions on the two candidates than all three networks combined.

No surprise there. Previous research has shown Fox News to be opinion-heavy.

"Special Report" was tougher than the networks on Obama -- with 79% of the statements about the Democrat negative, compared with 61% negative on McCain.

There's plenty of room for questioning the networks' performance and watching closely for symptoms of Obamamania.

But could we at least remain focused on what ABC, NBC and CBS actually put on the air, rather than illusions that their critics create to puff themselves up?
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A biopsy conducted on skin taken from the face of U.S. Republican presidential candidate John McCain showed no skin cancer, medical authorities said on Tuesday.

McCain, who has suffered from skin cancer in the past, had a spot removed from his face during a routine checkup in Scottsdale, Arizona, on Monday and had it checked to ensure it was not cancerous.

"The biopsy that was performed did not show any evidence of skin cancer," said Michael Yardley, a spokesman for the Mayo Clinic. "No further treatment is necessary."

The spot, visible on the Arizona senator's face and not covered by a bandage, appeared to be about the size of a small coin.

McCain, who turns 72 in August, has had four malignant melanomas -- a potentially lethal type of skin cancer -- surgically removed since 1993. Three of them were limited to the top layers of the skin and were not invasive.

The fourth melanoma, removed from his left temple in 2000, was invasive. During that surgery, doctors also took out lymph nodes to see if the cancer had spread. The lymph nodes showed no evidence of cancer.
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She is well traveled, and has seen some of the horrors this world has to offer.

I guess she has some concerns about Obama,

I can relate.
The more likely scenario is that she is politically shrewd enough to want to work with both sides. She has done so for many years in her work with refugees and has not hesitated to praise even the current administration when they did something right. I think she operates much the same way as Bono does, at least that is the sense I got from reading her interviews and the book.
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The Washington Post has basically called McCain a liar, and I think this story is important to highlight because a few people even here bought into it:

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For four days, Sen. John McCain and his allies have accused Sen. Barack Obama of snubbing wounded soldiers by canceling a visit to a military hospital because he could not take reporters with him, despite no evidence that the charge is true.

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Despite serious and repeated queries about the charge over several days, McCain and his allies continued yesterday to question Obama's patriotism by focusing attention on the canceled hospital visit.

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McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said again yesterday that the Republican's version of events is correct, and that Obama canceled the visit because he was not allowed to take reporters and cameras into the hospital.

"It is safe to say that, according to press reports, Barack Obama avoided, skipped, canceled the visit because of those reasons," he said. "We're not making a leap here."

Asked repeatedly for the "reports," Bounds provided three examples, none of which alleged that Obama had wanted to take members of the media to the hospital.
The article is very comprehensive in debunking this nonsense, and it's a bit on the lengthy side, but you can find it here.
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There's a new celebrity tribute to Barack Obama, but his campaign isn't exactly loving it.

The rapper Ludacris has a video, titled "Obama is here," that predicts the Democrat will win the presidency and urges blacks to get out and vote. It features footage of Obama dancing on the "Ellen Degeneres Show" and shooting hoops with US soldiers.

All well and good.

The problem is that the video also disparages Hillary Clinton using the b-word and calling her "irrelevant" -- and mocks John McCain suggesting that he belongs in a wheelchair, not the White House.

"As Barack Obama has said many, many times in the past, rap lyrics today too often perpetuate misogyny, materialism, and degrading images that he doesn’t want his daughters or any children exposed to," Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement today. "This song is not only outrageously offensive to Senator Clinton, Reverend Jackson, Senator McCain, and President Bush, it is offensive to all of us who are trying to raise our children with the values we hold dear. While Ludacris is a talented individual he should be ashamed of these lyrics."

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There's a new celebrity tribute to Barack Obama, but his campaign isn't exactly loving it.

The rapper Ludacris has a video, titled "Obama is here," that predicts the Democrat will win the presidency and urges blacks to get out and vote. It features footage of Obama dancing on the "Ellen Degeneres Show" and shooting hoops with US soldiers.

All well and good.

The problem is that the video also disparages Hillary Clinton using the b-word and calling her "irrelevant" -- and mocks John McCain suggesting that he belongs in a wheelchair, not the White House.

"As Barack Obama has said many, many times in the past, rap lyrics today too often perpetuate misogyny, materialism, and degrading images that he doesn’t want his daughters or any children exposed to," Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement today. "This song is not only outrageously offensive to Senator Clinton, Reverend Jackson, Senator McCain, and President Bush, it is offensive to all of us who are trying to raise our children with the values we hold dear. While Ludacris is a talented individual he should be ashamed of these lyrics."


But I thought Ludacris was "a great talent"?

It's confusing to me how Obama can say how bad and offensive most rap lyrics are, yet seem to condone it by having someone like Ludacris on his iPod.
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Barack Obama playing the race card yet again...

My Way News - Obama says Republicans trying to scare voters

Democrat Barack Obama, the first black candidate with a shot at winning the White House, says John McCain and his Republican allies will try to scare them by saying Obama "doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

Stumping in an economically challenged battleground state, Obama argued Wednesday that President Bush and McCain will resort to scare tactics to maintain their hold on the White House because they have little else to offer voters.

"Nobody thinks that Bush and McCain have a real answer to the challenges we face. So what they're going to try to do is make you scared of me," Obama said. "You know, he's not patriotic enough, he's got a funny name, you know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."


Another nice little quip from the supposed post-racial candidate. Shameful. I bet garbage like this is going to cost him votes. And who is this "they" he keeps talking about? Who has said anything about his name or dollar bills? This guy is a moron.
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But I thought Ludacris was "a great talent"?

It's confusing to me how Obama can say how bad and offensive most rap lyrics are, yet seem to condone it by having someone like Ludacris on his iPod.
Really? Is everything so black and white with you? You've never seen a great talent that may have said something you found offensive or something you didn't agree with?

So you agree with all of U2's politics?
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McCain's old strategist blasted him today for this ad, calling it, among other things, childish.

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John Weaver, for years one of John McCain's closest friends and confidants, has been in exile since his resignation from McCain's presidential campaign last year. With the exception of an occasional interview, he has, by his own account, bit his tongue as McCain's campaign has adopted a strategy that Weaver believes "diminishes John McCain."

With the release today of a McCain television ad blasting Obama for celebrity preening while gas prices rise, and a memo that accuses Obama of putting his own aggrandizement before the country, Weaver said he's had "enough."

The ad's premise, he said, is "childish."

"John's been a celebrity ever since he was shot down," Weaver said. "Whatever that means. And I recall Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush going overseas and all those waving American flags."

Weaver remains in contact with senior McCain strategists and, for a while early this year, regularly talked to McCain.

The strategy of driving up Obama's negatives "reduces McCain on the stage," Weaver said.


"For McCain to win in such troubled times, he needs to begin telling the American people how he intends to lead us. That McCain exists. He can inspire the country to greatness."

He added: "There is legitimate mockery of a political campaign now, and it isn't at Obama's. For McCain's sake, this tomfoolery needs to stop."
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Barack Obama playing the race card yet again...

My Way News - Obama says Republicans trying to scare voters

Democrat Barack Obama, the first black candidate with a shot at winning the White House, says John McCain and his Republican allies will try to scare them by saying Obama "doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

Stumping in an economically challenged battleground state, Obama argued Wednesday that President Bush and McCain will resort to scare tactics to maintain their hold on the White House because they have little else to offer voters.

"Nobody thinks that Bush and McCain have a real answer to the challenges we face. So what they're going to try to do is make you scared of me," Obama said. "You know, he's not patriotic enough, he's got a funny name, you know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."


Another nice little quip from the supposed post-racial candidate. Shameful. I bet garbage like this is going to cost him votes. And who is this "they" he keeps talking about? Who has said anything about his name or dollar bills? This guy is a moron.
Yes, I'm sure you know how it feels to have your faith, name, and patriotism dragged through the mud.

I agree he probably shouldn't have said the dollar bill thing, for I haven't heard anything about that, but everything else has been said by the right.
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Really? Is everything so black and white with you? You've never seen a great talent that may have said something you found offensive or something you didn't agree with?

So you agree with all of U2's politics?
I don't know why Obama would call him a great talent to begin with. All of Ludacris's lyrics I have ever heard have been hateful or violent or racist (not to mention profanity-filled) or any of the things that Obama's spokesman says that the senator opposes. If he doesn't want his children listening to such hateful lyrics, why does he have such an artist on his own iPod?

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If he doesn't want his children listening to such hateful lyrics, why does he have such an artist on his own iPod?

Do as I say, not as I do...
I don't really get that. It's almost like saying "Why does this parent watch violent movies and doesn't want his children to watch them?"
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I don't know why Obama would call him a great talent to begin with. All of Ludacris's lyrics I have ever heard have been hateful or violent or racist (not to mention profanity-filled) or any of the things that Obama's spokesman says that the senator opposes. If he doesn't want his children listening to such hateful lyrics, why does he have such an artist on his own iPod?

Do as I say, not as I do...
Talent is subjective, don't try and pretend it's anything else.

You don't possibly believe this stuff you write do you? So you only watch G rated movies?

And don't for a second tell me you believe or agree with the lyrics of every artists your politicians listen to.

Johnny Cash shot a man in Reno. Garth Brooks and George Strait are drunk in half their songs. And the racist song Rush had about Obama several months ago was just humor according to you.

Practice what you preach.
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I don't think it's a big deal if he listens to Ludacris, you can disagree with what's in some rap and still listen to it. Just like you can disgree with artists' lifestyles or politics or any number of things about them and still listen to their music.

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Straight talk in action: a Republican strategist tells BusinessWeek that John McCain was planning an attack ad against Barack Obama whether or not the Democrat visited wounded troops in Germany:

What the McCain campaign doesn't want people to know, according to one GOP strategist I spoke with over the weekend, is that they had an ad script ready to go if Obama had visited the wounded troops saying that Obama was...wait for it...using wounded troops as campaign props. So, no matter which way Obama turned, McCain had an Obama bashing ad ready to launch. I guess that's political hardball. But another word for it is the one word that most politicians are loathe to use about their opponents--a lie.

Yesterday, the Washington Post reported that McCain's ad accusing Obama of not caring about the troops was not supported by facts.
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