US 08 Presidential Campaign General Discussion Thread #7

[oceane]

Obama will be on O'Reilly Thursday night. I can't wait to see this!

Too bad it will be during McCain's acceptance speech. First, I don't think it's nice to try to distract away from his speech and second, more people would have watched had it been on another night.

Still, I'm thinking this can only be good for Obama. Reaching to a new audience...

Obama yes to Murdoch's Fox news grilling | World news | guardian.co.uk

[2861U2]

Originally Posted by oceane

Obama will be on O'Reilly Thursday night. I can't wait to see this!

Too bad it will be during McCain's acceptance speech. First, I don't think it's nice to try to distract away from his speech and second, more people would have watched had it been on another night.

Still, I'm thinking this can only be good for Obama. Reaching to a new audience...

Obama yes to Murdoch's Fox news grilling | World news | guardian.co.uk

So McCain announcing his VP on Thursday night would have been completely rude to Obama, but Obama thinks this is acceptable?

Got it.

[U2isthebest]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

So McCain announcing his VP on Thursday night would have been completely rude to Obama, but Obama thinks this is acceptable?

Got it.

Um, I'm pretty sure Fox is going to show McCain's acceptance speech like every other network.

[jesseu2]

I got some beef to spill here with Republican's!

It really annoys me when republican's say they are against pre-marital sex and are soo righteous which is bullshit... and here VP-Pick Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant and McCain knew about it before announcing it. The conservatives are not so conservative it appears. Well, thats just great.

Meanwhile, Obama/Biden are kicking ass and taking names

[2861U2]

Originally Posted by jesseu2

It really annoys me when republican's say they are against pre-marital sex and are soo righteous which is bullshit... and here VP-Pick Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant and McCain knew about it before announcing it. The conservatives are not so conservative it appears. Well, thats just great.

I take it your family is perfect?

Yes, as conservatives we are against pre-marital sex. But when it happens, conservatives believe the proper thing to do is to keep the baby and marry the father, hopefully with a loving family supporting you, rather than killing the baby and pretending it never happened. If you want to make this an issue, be my guest. It will backfire.

Originally Posted by jesseu2

Meanwhile, Obama/Biden are kicking ass and taking names

They are? I must be missing that...

[oceane]

Originally Posted by U2isthebest

Um, I'm pretty sure Fox is going to show McCain's acceptance speech like every other network.

Yes that's true, it will probably not be at the exact same time anyways. O'Reilly is usually late in the evening, no?

Still, it will detract attention from the speech (or its coverage therafter), and it's pretty obvious that's the point.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

Yes, as conservatives we are against pre-marital sex. But when it happens, conservatives believe the proper thing to do is to keep the baby and marry the father, hopefully with a loving family supporting you, rather than killing the baby and pretending it never happened. If you want to make this an issue, be my guest. It will backfire.

is this why she's against comprehensive sex ed that's been shown to be far more effective in preventing teen pregnancy than the abstinence-only programs favored by Gov. Palin?

[U2democrat]

Is it November 5 yet? (Not only the day after election day but my 22nd birthday )


Tensions in campaign offices are getting really high...people are going to be so burned out after this election, if not before.

[2861U2]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

is this why she's against comprehensive sex ed that's been shown to be far more effective in preventing teen pregnancy than the abstinence-only programs favored by Gov. Palin?

It's clear abstinence-only education doesn't work, and it has nothing to do with the Bristol story. Palin is wrong on this issue.

Another point regarding jesseu2's post above- conservatives believe in taking responsibility for your actions, and I can't think of a situation where that applies more than an unexpected pregnancy. Bristol, with her family behind her, is taking full responsibility and taking the completely proper course of action. God bless her for deciding that she's going to have to grow up quickly and for accepting that her life is going to change drastically due to her actions.

[Diemen]

I wonder what percentage of teen marriages end in divorce? Or rather, what percentage of forced teen marriages (I highly doubt it was the teens' idea to get married...) end in divorce?

I'm all for going through with a pregnancy and ensuring you've got a good support network around you, but I'm not crazy on the idea that the proper thing for a teenage mom or dad to do is get married right away.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

It's clear abstinence-only education doesn't work, and it has nothing to do with the Bristol story.

Well actually that may not be entirely true. I admit that this is nothing but speculation, but one could make the argument that if Palin was for comprehensive sex-ed, her daughter may have been much more aware of the consequences/risks of unprotected sex and made a more informed decision prior to the act.

Of course kids being kids even with that knowledge she may have ended up in the same situation anyway, but more education couldn't have been a bad thing.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

It's clear abstinence-only education doesn't work, and it has nothing to do with the Bristol story. Palin is wrong on this issue.

i appreciate your perspective, and agree with you here.

Another point regarding jesseu2's post above- conservatives believe in taking responsibility for your actions, and I can't think of a situation where that applies more than an unexpected pregnancy. Bristol, with her family behind her, is taking full responsibility and taking the completely proper course of action. God bless her for deciding that she's going to have to grow up quickly and for accepting that her life is going to change drastically due to her actions.

i am glad that Bristol lives in a world where she can choose to take her pregnancy to term, and i am glad she has a supportive family. that will be a lucky baby.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

So McCain announcing his VP on Thursday night would have been completely rude to Obama,

Did Obama say this?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

It's clear abstinence-only education doesn't work, and it has nothing to do with the Bristol story. Palin is wrong on this issue.

Wow, we agree on something...

Except I DO think it has something to do with the Bristol story.

[sharon]

I can't believe the right is just fine with this whole Sarah Palin nomination. Sarah's character is shining through on 2 big levels to me.
First she went back to work only 3 days after giving birth to her child.
Second she put her pregnant daughter out there for the whole world to scrutinize.
She definately puts her 'wants' ahead of her children. I say good luck to her because she's gonna need it. Also can you just imagine what the right would say if she was on the Obama ticket! Come onnnn~!

[anitram]

New CNN state polls:

Ohio
47-45 Obama

Minnesota
53-41 Obama

Iowa
55-40 Obama

Looks to me like McCain will probably concede Iowa and Minnesota barring something really shocking happening in the next 60 days.

[namkcuR]

Wow, as an Ohio resident who is utterly embarrassed by his state's political leaning, I am elated to see that Obama has taken a slim lead. It's always close in Ohio, but it's usually the Republicans up by a slim margin.

Ohio is not required to win the election(in fact, if we get both New Mexico and Colorado and hold on to Pennsylvania, we can win without getting Ohio, Florida, or Virginia), but it sure would be nice to have it in our column.

[anitram]

The Republicans have a short memory.

MINNEAPOLIS -- Former presidential candidate Mike Huckabee told NBC/NJ today that the recent wave of potentially-damaging news stories about Sarah Palin – including news that her teenage daughter is pregnant – represents a "sexism that is really, really disgusting and embarrassing," and could ultimately galvanize support for the GOP ticket.

Calling media critiques of Palin "unprecedented" ("they never did this to Chelsea Clinton," he said), Huckabee predicted that Palin's victimization would rouse support even from non-Republicans outraged by sexist sentiment.

Luckily, the Internets don't:

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father".

-John McCain, 1998

[A_Wanderer]

John McCain was in "the media"?

[anitram]

Originally Posted by A_Wanderer

John McCain was in "the media"?

Don't worry, Rush doesn't disappoint:

Columnist Molly Ivins reported (Arizona Republic 10/17/93) this incident from (Rush) Limbaugh's TV show--"Here is a Limbaugh joke: Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat. Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is a White House dog?" And he puts up a picture of Chelsea Clinton. Chelsea Clinton is 13 years old.