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Old 07-28-2008, 01:12 PM   #21
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ABC News has learned that two former administration officials for President George W. Bush will appear with Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, at an economic meeting today, having signed up to be Obama economic advisers.

Bush administration veterans former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill and former Securities and Exchange Commissioner William Donaldson will join former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker, and more traditionally Democratic economic advisers such as former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, billionaire liberal Warren Buffett, AFL-CIO President John Sweeney, and SEIU Secretary-Treasurer Anna Burger.
Finally Paul O'Neill gets his chance to stick it to Bush et al.
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Old 07-28-2008, 01:12 PM   #22
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As a side note, this is hilarious.

Because we all know that it is the "intelligent" voters that decide elections. Like the ones who would like to have beers with the president.

INDY will be here shortly to tell you how elitist you are...
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I'm running for president of the United States, because I want to help with family values. And I think that family values are important, when we have two parent -- families that are of parents that are the traditional family.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But there are several hundred thousand children in the country who don't have a home. And if a gay couple wants to adopt them, what's wrong with that?

MCCAIN: I am for the values that two parent families, the traditional family represents.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So, you're against gay adoption.

MCCAIN: I am for the values and principles that two parent families represent.
Gays, lesbians, and single people - you're out of luck.
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Who? If you want to make this claim, then back it up. I really can't recall anyone saying he'll win in a landslide, much less multiple people.

Irvine has used the word Tsunami to describe his "victory" in November.
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Just so everyone is clear on Obama's "cancelled" troop visit with the cameras:

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NBC’s Andrea Mitchell reports that there was never a plan for Obama to take the press to Landstuhl, despite the claim by McCain folks and others. The plan was to go with his military aide, retired General Scott Gration. The Pentagon said Gration was off-limits because he had joined the campaign -- violating rules that it not be a political stop.

Obama had gone to see wounded troops in Iraq earlier in the week, without even confirming he'd been there. No press, no pictures. He has done the same when he goes to Walter Reed -- never any press.
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You should start a thread or something, you keep talking about all this misspeaking, how he can't put two words together, how it's obvious to everyone he needs a teleprompter, etc etc

Yet with the exception of the one A_Wanderer posted I haven't seen shit to back this up...
""I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go."

"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed."

"But she is a typical white person..."

“They’re going to try to make you afraid. They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. ‘He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?’"

"We passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee."

"...and have seen over 3,000 lives of the bravest young Americans wasted.”

“I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps"

"There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born."

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today"

"You can call my hotline, which is 1-888-NC-Early... E-A-R-E...uhh... E-A-R-L-Y."

"Iran doesn't pose a serious threat to us."

Plus the neverending "uhhh" in his talking, the clip posted a few pages back, him thinking that Canada has a president, etc etc...

Do gaffes like this from either candidate influence my decision? Not at all. But for everyone making fun of how Bush talks, I'd say Obama has proven himself roughly on par with the President. I don't see a ton of "eloquent speaking" from him. At the same time, I could name a handful of pretty awesome impressive speeches the President has given.
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Regardless, my original point remains. Anyone who, as of right now, believes Obama will win huge needs to get some fresh air.


i believe Obama could win huge.

it's entirely conceivable, since he's leading in states that Kerry didn't win: OH, VA, CO, NM, and he's turned other states like NV and even NC and MT into competitive races.

but, no, no one actually knows what's going to happen. let's see what's going on in October.
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I'm not sure you understand what we're talking about.

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“They’re going to try to make you afraid. They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. ‘He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?’"
This isn't a misspeak. This is true, there are many who are doing this. Many of those aren't misspeaks, especially in the context of Bush or what the rest of us have been talking about.

Some of these are missing context. Some of these are just lines you don't like.

And then a few are dumb misspeaks, but nothing compared to Bush...

But this has nothing to do with your statement that he can't even put two words together.

Maybe one of those would make a calender.

But at the end of the day, this is just your bias forcing you to make weak attacks.
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It's flip flop weather!

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ABC News' Teddy Davis and Kevin Kilbane Report: During a "This Week" interview with ABC News' George Stephanopoulos John McCain reversed himself on affirmative action and endorsed for the first time a proposed state ballot measure which would end race and gender-based affirmative action in his home state of Arizona.

"I support it," McCain declared when asked about the referendum. "I do not believe in quotas... I have not seen the details of some of these proposals. But I’ve always opposed quotas."

McCain has long opposed quotas but his new support for ending affirmative action programs which stop short of quotas puts him at odds not only with Democratic rival Barack Obama but also with the Arizona senator's own views in 1998.
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When asked if that includes a possible hike in the payroll tax, McCain reiterated that nothing -- including such a tax hike -- is "off the table."

"I don't want tax increases. Of course, I'd like to have young Americans have some of their money put into an account with their name on it," McCain said.

However, in a February interview with Stephanopoulos, which also aired on "This Week," McCain made a pledge not to raise taxes as president. When Stephanopoulos asked, "Are you a 'read my lips' candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?" McCain responded affirmatively: "No new taxes."
Don't get me wrong, I hate the idiotic "flip flop" phrase, but hey the Republicans came up with it and embraced it so wholeheartedly, so if the shoe fits...
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Plus the neverending "uhhh" in his talking, the clip posted a few pages back, him thinking that Canada has a president, etc etc...


seriously, what the fuck?

this is so, so weak. all the candidates commit gaffes. Bush is in another category altogether, do you want me to toss out a series of McCain verbal fuck-ups? just starting with the Iraq/Pakistani border?

or is this just a fundamentally STUPID way of judging candidates and is little more than tit-for-tat and pulling out quotes from people who spend A LOT of time speaking in public about a vast array of topics?
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seriously, what the fuck?

this is so, so weak.
Agreed. Everyone is going to commit gaffes if they're up on stage day after day, night after night. It happens to everyone - McCain has certainly had his share. To claim he can't string 2 words together is just about the most pathetic claim I've ever heard in reference to Obama.
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and MT into competitive races.
Yeah, election campaigning in my host state!
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Actually, I could easily see a McCain electoral victory with a magin of defeat greater than Kerry's defeat in the popular vote in 2004. The African American vote will be the highest its ever been in many southern States, but will not be enough to win any of them. Add that with some very close McCain victories in swing states, and McCain could be President despite Obama winning with as much as a 4 percent margin in the popular vote.

Then there is the 269 to 269 tie senerio which could happen for the first time this year, given certain swing states and who is likely to win in them.


A tie?

Really?

I guess we would have to go for a "jump ball" ?

Would that be fair?

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What would the "procedure" be like if a tie happened?
I know how in socialist Germany that would be done, but in the US...?
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The Supreme Court that Bush appointed would select McCain.














just kidding
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Are you sure you are kidding? I sincerely hope so.
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A tie?

Really?

I guess we would have to go for a "jump ball" ?

Would that be fair?



they should settle it like men.

with a game of H-O-R-S-E.
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Agreed. Everyone is going to commit gaffes if they're up on stage day after day, night after night. It happens to everyone - McCain has certainly had his share. To claim he can't string 2 words together is just about the most pathetic claim I've ever heard in reference to Obama.


what we're getting in this thread is a parroting of one specific line of attack that's bouncing around the right wing blogosphere/echo chamber (from Rush to Michelle Malkin to Glen Beck) -- that Obama is prone to "gaffes," thus underscoring how he's a novice who doesn't know anything about anything.

the reality is that he's probably less gaffe prone than most other major politicians, but this line of attack has been approved of and disseminated amongst the right wing shock troops.
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What would the "procedure" be like if a tie happened?
I know how in socialist Germany that would be done, but in the US...?
If there is a tie, then it jumps to the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives. Obama FTW.

I don't think this has happened since the 1800s, although that was the original goal for most elections when the Constitution was drafted in the 1700s.

Obama's committed gaffes and Bush has committed gaffes, but I think one key to understanding the difference is that Bush gives out nicknames like "Turd Blossom" to his close aides and friends. There's a general frat demeanor to Bush. (And I think that's something he's tried to cultivate also. Not an "intellectual", but just a good boy from Texas with a ranch)
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Bullcrap. Can I have an example? I have yet to see you criticize him, and everyone in here has tossed aside ANY criticism of him,
This is such crap! As you've surely read a few others have already posted their criticisms of Obama and I'll post my own, provided you can do the same for McCain/Bush. The first rule of someone who is actually engaged in critical thinking is that is an ability to critique your own position. You have shown yourself completely incapable of--or more likely, unwilling--doing so. I don't know how you and folks like Sting can expect to be taken remotely seriously if you can't demonstrate even a little bit of criticism of your "party line."

As to Obama winning in a landslide. . .I'm still not certain that he'll win at all.
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