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Old 10-18-2013, 04:25 PM   #781
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That level of detachment from reality is scary when it's essentially half the country.
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:16 PM   #782
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Obeying the Constitution by shutting down the government over a constitutionally upheld law you don't like?

Right.
The House of Representatives has every constitutional right to not fund a program. We have a law mandating a fence along our southern border but we have no such fence because its construction has not been funded. This country had a manned space program for 50 years until it was defunded.

And what does the Left in your state do when a state law created by popular vote in CA is upheld by the CA Supreme Court? Do they declare Prop 8 "the law of the land"? No, no they don't. They get a federal judge to overturn it and then fail to defend their own law or citizens in front of the US Supreme Court. There's a precedent for you.
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:19 PM   #783
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What are you even talking about?
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Old 10-18-2013, 06:22 PM   #784
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But shutting down the government and threatening global economic collapse because you can't get your way after getting clobbered in an election is.
Who proposed the Full Faith and Credit law that would mandate the US Treasury to pay debt service and pensions before anything else insuring stability and preventing default.

The GOP

Who made sure that never became law?

Democrats
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What are you even talking about?
DOMA was "the law of the land." Why did you fight it?

Citizens United is "the law of the land." Why is it still discussed here as if it is controversial?
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How are they in any way the same thing as what we're talking about?
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Obama’s policy strategy: Ignore laws
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Napolitano: Obama Administration Can Choose What Laws To Enforce

Obama's "you must respect the law of the land" argument was invalidated by his own actions on numerous occasions.
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INDY lives in an alternate economic reality.

In the week leading up to the weekend in advance of the August 2nd deadline in 2011, the S&P 500 declined by 3.9% and was off a total of 6.8% before an agreement was signed into law. It is also worth noting that during this period, bond yields and oil price also experienced material declines.
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The signs are all pointing to an improving economy as more people find jobs, home sales surge in some areas, and confidence rises. Yet investors are selling stocks and bonds, seemingly fixated on just one thing: How soon the Federal Reserve might stop pumping money into the market.

Stocks have fallen sharply for two straight days, pulling the Dow Jones industrial average down 560 points, or nearly 4 percent, to 14,758.32. The sell-off started when Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke suggested Wednesday that a healthier economy would prompt the central bank to start winding down its bond-buying program later this year.
The stock market’s nervous initial reaction only gained momentum Thursday, when the Dow index lost 353 points. It was the market’s worst day since November 2011, as investors worried that the economic recovery could be thrown off course if the central bank cuts back.
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Welcome to crazy town.
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DOMA was "the law of the land." Why did you fight it? Citizens United is "the law of the land." Why is it still discussed here as if it is controversial?
You let me know when anyone threatened collapse of the global economy over these issues. We've won because we've won elections and changed hearts and minds. Bigots like your representatives have lost because you have no arguments to make and you can't hold a candle to real people who love each other. Look not just at election results and court cases, but at polls. We've won because we have better arguments than you. If you'd like to do the same, start there. Don't suicide bomb the financial markets because you can't get your way. Win elections. Convince voters.

Given the historic disapproval rates of the GOP and the Tea Party, you could use the PR. Everyone hates you because you have NOTHING to offer but hate. Even the Greed wing of the GOP wants nothing to do with mouth breathing Tea Partiers. Stupid is as Stupid does.
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After GOP landslide of Election 2010, what next for Obama?

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Republicans scored at least a 60-seat gain in the House, the biggest partisan shift since the Democrats gained 75 House seats in 1948.
The petty ideologue would rather bring financial calamity to this country than negotiate. Why should we expect anything different regarding the most costly, partisan law on the books?
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You want the ACA overturned, then elect people to do it.

The right continues to lose elections, and even in the house they were out voted but maintained or even gained seats.

This is nothing more than a grudge and a tantrum. Societies change over time. Slavery was part of the constitution as well. It's not legal anymore.

Want Obamacare gone, win the presidency and then see if you can remove it. Good luck tho. While there are some shitty aspects (being in pocket of ins companies for one), a LOT of people are going to benefit from this law
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Obama won 2 landslide elections.

Done.
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ObamaCare's architects reap windfall as Washington lobbyists - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com

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By Megan R. Wilson - 08/25/13

ObamaCare has become big business for an elite network of Washington lobbyists and consultants who helped shape the law from the inside.

More than 30 former administration officials, lawmakers and congressional staffers who worked on the healthcare law have set up shop on K Street since 2010.

Major lobbying firms such as Fierce, Isakowitz & Blalock, The Glover Park Group, Alston & Bird, BGR Group and Akin Gump can all boast an Affordable Care Act insider on their lobbying roster — putting them in a prime position to land coveted clients.

“When [Vice President] Biden leaned over [during the signing of the healthcare law] and said to [President] Obama, ‘This is a big f'n deal,’ ” said Ivan Adler, a headhunter at the McCormick Group, “he was right.”
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Go run on this. Seriously. Give us another proposal. Maybe it will be better than the ACA.

Stop threatening the free world with economic calamity because you need your diaper changed.
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And what does the Left in your state do when a state law created by popular vote in CA is upheld by the CA Supreme Court? Do they declare Prop 8 "the law of the land"? No, no they don't. They get a federal judge to overturn it and then fail to defend their own law or citizens in front of the US Supreme Court. There's a precedent for you.
I don't live in California.

The rest of your comment isn't even analogous to the current situation, and even if it was, it sure doesn't speak well to the conduct of the Tea Partiers, as "the Left" didn't throw an epic hissy fit, grind the government to a halt and threaten California with economic calamity if they didn't get their way.
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3. WW2 veterans aren’t welcome at the National Memorial, but Democrats will host a rally for illegal immigrants at the National Mall – while lecturing citizens about “respect.”

8. Democrats will call Republicans “anarchists,” “arsonists,” “terrorists,” “extremists,” “hostage-takers,” “jihadists” and “suicide bombers” if the GOP doesn’t completely capitulate, but would never dare call Islamist terrorists that.

13. The stock market doesn’t really care what Washington does, as long as the Fed keeps raining cash.
Outstanding and dead-on.
1. The National Memorial is a public establishment, public establishments close when the government closes. That's what happens when there's a shutdown. Lots of places were closed, but this is the one the right chose to single out in order to make a cheap political attack. You want to blame someone for their being a shutdown, blame the Tea Party who thought they could extort concessions on the ACA in exchange for not sending the American and world economies into chaos. As for the rally - it was a rally in support of potential legislation to reform immigration laws that a lot of people on both sides of the aisle think we need. The author is making it sound like the Democratic Party was handing out hundred dollar bills to actual criminals while pissing on the ground at the National Memorial, and it's ludicrous.

2. I don't even know where this comes from. Is it Benghazi, because the President didn't immediately call it a terrorist attack? Let it go. The notion that Democrats don't dislike Islamic terrorists(or any terrorists) is silly, and just another iteration of the tired, stale "Democrats are soft on crime, Republicans are tough on crime" line of thought.

3. Does stock market refer to Wall Street? Because Wall Street just spent the last two weeks telling the Tea Party to knock it off and raise the debt ceiling.
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their paid vacation.
For real?

My husband was in the middle of an unpaid residency at Petrified Forest National Park when the shutdown occurred. One of the rangers was in the middle of trying to buy a house in Holbrook, Arizona. He was quite worried about how not having an income at all was going to affect this process. My husband and his sister brought him some food for him, his wife, and his son on the way back home when they passed through Holbrook. There was one, unpaid ranger left to patrol the park. He was cruising the park, keeping the bewildered taxpayers and the nuts out of the park, on his own, with no pay.

The father of one of my students is a civilian employee of the DoD on a base here in Southern California. Times were very tense for this family while the shut-down was on. It wasn't a vacation at all; I could tell how tense the family was just by this student's behavior.


Perhaps you know people who are federal employees who considered this furlough a paid vacation. I don't think it's fair of you to generalize in such a way.
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