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Old 11-25-2004, 10:02 AM   #1
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Ukraine election controversy

Gosh, have you read anything about the Presidential elections they just had in Ukraine? It's a mess. Here's a link about the crisis.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6374820/
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Old 11-25-2004, 10:55 AM   #2
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i admire the ukrainians -- when they have elections stolen from them, at least they have the good sense to do something about it.
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Yeah, I've been following this with some interest.

Luckily the protests haven't been crushed, I hope they come to a resolution soon.
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Yeah, I like hell-raisers too. They do this stuff quite a bit. My sister spent two weeks in Ukraine in 2002. They had at least one demonstration against the government in Kyiv, which is interesting, since that's the pro-Russian part of the country, while she was there and then L'viv in the Western part of the country is nationalist big time and they don't like the pro-Russian guy. I hope they can get this stuff worked out.
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I read in the paper today that Canada is refusing to acknowledge the *official* election results. Apparently the international community agrees with the protestors that something is amiss.
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Damn. I'm afraid this could get ugly.
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Yes, you know when Putin is telling the international community to butt out, that something stinks in the land of Soviet nostalgia.

Why not just redo the election? That seems fair to me.
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Oh, no, I'm honestly afraid there could be violence. It's horrible. I'm so sorry, Ukraine has many, many problems. In 2002 the Kyiv demonstrators claimed that the government was corrupt. There were also reports in the press that Ukrainian businesses illegally did business with Iraq. This sucks.
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Seen the guy's head?!?
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western ukraine is not a friendly place .
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This is one fg mess. I'm glad I'm not living there now.
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I'am ukrainian, I'm living in Kiev, and I must say it isn't scary as you said. Nation just reunioned, people friendly not like before, and all this feeling about thue power, and government, NEW life with new HOPE. I every day spent on the Kreshatik, center of Kiev, with orange and blue-and-yellow flags, with slogans like "Kuchma, Putin go to hell", "We all together today and invincible". It's great feelings, when you really can change something.
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Originally posted by Bonny
I'am ukrainian, I'm living in Kiev, and I must say it isn't scary as you said. Nation just reunioned, people friendly not like before, and all this feeling about thue power, and government, NEW life with new HOPE. I every day spent on the Kreshatik, center of Kiev, with orange and blue-and-yellow flags, with slogans like "Kuchma, Putin go to hell", "We all together today and invincible". It's great feelings, when you really can change something.
I knew there had to be at least one Ukrainian here. I hope you're not offended by any of my notes. The press in the U.S. overblows and oversensationizes every damn thing. The word "crisis" sells newspapers and magazines and the press wants the damn $$. There are demonstrations planned for our Inauguration Day and no one is screaming "crisis" because there's not one. It's great that you guys are active and are changing your country.
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Originally posted by Bonny
I'am ukrainian, I'm living in Kiev, and I must say it isn't scary as you said. Nation just reunioned, people friendly not like before, and all this feeling about thue power, and government, NEW life with new HOPE. I every day spent on the Kreshatik, center of Kiev, with orange and blue-and-yellow flags, with slogans like "Kuchma, Putin go to hell", "We all together today and invincible". It's great feelings, when you really can change something.


I'm so glad to hear an eyewitness account. I was wondering if it was really the revolution Western reporters were describing.

Good luck! You guys have a good track record when it comes to political protest.

Keep us updated, please! We'll be watching!
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http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/eu...ine/index.html

The Ukrainian Parliament has declared the results of the election to be invalid. They also called for a new vote.
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i'm very proud of the ukrainian people for remaining peaceful during this whole ordeal. if it were america i hate to think of what would be going on
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go Ukraine! show the world -- *especially* those of us here in the US -- how to make sure every vote gets counted.
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You tried that already and you lost fair and square, aint democracy grand.
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erm, talking about 2000. yes, 2004 is a different story, but had we been able to show a bit more gumption in our country after the 2000 fiasco, the world might be a very different place.
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A good turn of events.

Yes, America should watch this and be ashamed of their own complacency. We were too eager to "have it all resolved" and get a quick answer. We have a comfortable history with politics and our government, basically.

Eastern Europe, however has enjoyed what--60 years of sham elections? They know one when they see one. And they aren't going to give up their relatively new freedom. So they took to the streets--and peacefully, too! And everyone in the world noticed. I think that is just so awesome. Go, Ukraine!

We're just too damn comfortable here. We don't rock the boat enough.
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