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Old 12-10-2001, 04:05 AM   #21
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I think the word Rono is looking for is "organic".
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Tofu is bleh! Quorn rulez!
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Old 12-11-2001, 01:12 AM   #23
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Many of you will be pleased to know that I was a vegetarian today.

I skipped my usual sausage biscuit this morning; I snacked on some chips for lunch (busily working); and for dinner, I had a falafel roll-up and sauteed mushrooms. As tempting as it was to sample the chicken roll-up which my wife was eating, I resisted, and I did so for U2 and everything they stand for. It's a new day.

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did you say sautee`?

uh-oh, that would mean there was probably butter involved, and as we all know, cultivating butter means torchering animals
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Rono,

The kind of animal products you're talking about are available in the U.S., but probably not as widely as in Europe. There just isn't that much demand for it here. Many of the farmers here that are raising animals that way, are looking at selling into European or Japanese markets. But in any city in the States, I think you could go out and buy organic pork, or antibiotic-free pork.
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I was a vegetarian for an entire month and a half. It wasn't that difficult...till New Year's Day, 2000, when everyone was sitting around eating bacon for breakfast!!

I have a theory. We should no longer eat the "cute" animals, such as rabbit, dear, cows, piggies.

We should declare war on the "evil" animals that everyone hates anyway. We could go on a big hunt and eat a lot of snakes, badgers, gators, sharks, and big hairy tarantulas.
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Old 12-11-2001, 08:38 PM   #27
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did you say sautee`?

uh-oh, that would mean there was probably butter involved, and as we all know, cultivating butter means torchering animals
Is it possible to "sautee" with only olive oil and seasonings? He has hinted his recipe to me before, adn I do not recall butter being an ingredient. DAMN those mushrooms are good!!!!

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are those "magic" mushrooms? hippie...
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They are not harvested from cow manure breakdown, if that's what you're getting at.
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Originally posted by Klodomir:
I think the word Rono is looking for is "organic".
Yes, maybe you can translate " kistkalveren " for me.

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[quote]Originally posted by Rono:
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Yes, maybe you can translate " kistkalveren " for me.
Yes, calves raised in veal crates. I also get uncomfortable associations when I hear the word "veal".
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Old 12-12-2001, 04:19 AM   #32
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actually, all that's done to produce veal is to reduce the intake of iron, it has nothing to do with putting them in a small box (which, actually would be counter-productive because the animal would in all likelihood be very unhealthy, but that's just speculation on my part, of course)
I wish that were true, but you're wrong. Try doing a search on "veal crates" on any search engine, or look here: http://www.peta.org/mc/facts/fsveg4.html

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Originally posted by 80sU2isBest:
We should declare war on the "evil" animals that everyone hates anyway. We could go on a big hunt and eat a lot of snakes, badgers, gators, sharks, and big hairy tarantulas.
I agree wholeheartedly! And there's this big mean dog down the street, that I have my eye on! *sharpening meat cleaver*
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"Their muscles ache for freedom and exercise. They long for maternal care."

Their muscles ache for freedom?? Did this information come from calf interviews? It's statements like this (along with their ridiculous "milk sucks" campaign) that keep PETA from swaying my opinion on things. If they would present the facts in a reasonable manner, I would probably agree with them once in a while. But as it stands, I'm so skeptical of everything they say.

If you're interested in reading about this topic from a more science-based source, check out: http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/

or for veal issues in particular: http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/pubs/97issues.htm#Issue14

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Thanks Spiral, for the links.

I think you should read the veal one. You can read things like US guidelines a individyal stall should be 24 x65 inch but the industry recomends 26/30 x 72 inch. the calf can stand or lie in natural, sternal positions and can take several steps forwart and backward.

I think this is all about a optimal production in a unhealty situation.


Just read it yourself.
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I LOVE veal, veal is truly a gorgeous and delicious meat - but I haven't eaten it in three years because it IS immoral the way they treat them. No, I won't give a long rant about how their 'muscles ache for freedom', its a simple scientific explanation - they are contained in small spaces and kept from moving around so that their tissue and flesh is maintained in a softer texture, hence they're so yummy. Its as bad as battery chickens, if not worse.

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Since no thread is complete without a Simpsons snippet:

(at the Itchy and Scratchy Land diner)

Bart: I'll have a Brain Burger with extra pus, please.
Marge: Bart!
Homer: Eyeball stew.
Marge: Homer! We just got here and already I'm mortified beyond belief by your embarrassing behavior.
Bart: I was just ordering a cheeseburger, Mom. They have violent names for everything here.
Marge: Oh, I see. All right...hmm...I'll have the Baby Guts.
Waiter: Lady, you disgust me. Eew.
Lisa: Mom, that's veal.
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Since no thread is complete without a Simpsons snippet:

(at the Itchy and Scratchy Land diner)

Bart: I'll have a Brain Burger with extra pus, please.
Marge: Bart!
Homer: Eyeball stew.
Marge: Homer! We just got here and already I'm mortified beyond belief by your embarrassing behavior.
Bart: I was just ordering a cheeseburger, Mom. They have violent names for everything here.
Marge: Oh, I see. All right...hmm...I'll have the Baby Guts.
Waiter: Lady, you disgust me. Eew.
Lisa: Mom, that's veal.
LOL!
So, what's your point?

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Old 12-13-2001, 06:48 AM   #39
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Sorry about the PETA link. I didn't have time to search for a more unbiased one, and yes, I do think they're a bunch of tossers in many ways, but I know you're all capable of finding the relevant info yourselves.
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I'm veggie but it's your choice to eat meat.
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