U2 Apparently Drinks Coca Cola, But Aren't We Supposed to Oppose Coca Cola?

[Kieran McConville]

Originally posted by zooropamanda:

Personally I was hoping the 7 cd came with a Target poster with Bono's head inside the big red dot so we can hang it up on a dart board.

p.s. The above is actually a joke

A good joke, though. I agree with you.

As for Edge drinking Coke or whatever, he can drink window cleaner for all I care. Now if he shows up in their next big ad promotion, I may have a few problems...

[doctorwho]

Originally posted by zooropamanda:
who gives about macaulay culkin!

Some of us discussed this in chat last night and i seriously am starting to wonder . The whole tarjet thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Have they forgotten what ZOOTV and POPMART were all about?

Personally I was hoping the 7 cd came with a Target poster with Bono's head inside the big red dot so we can hang it up on a dart board.

p.s. The above is actually a joke

*smacks Zooropamanda with a large trout

Just wait 'til I get to chat young lady, then I'll learn ya!

Ya know... I don't get the gripe about "7." I turn on the TV and I have N'Sync singing "I want my baby back, baby back, baby back ribs" to me. I flip the channel and there's a certain Ms. Spears singing about the "joy of Pepsi." In December, a wide array of artists did a commercial for Gap (I believe) where they all sang part of a song.

All U2 did was release a CD of previously unavailable tracks in the U.S.. U2 or their label didn't HAVE to do this. But because U.S. fans didn't get the CD singles, they could at least get this CD. The price? A mere $7. There was no promotion by U2. There were no U2 commercials singing about Target. It was just something a little special for U2 fans at a reasonable price. Don't want it? Don't get it. That's it and that's all.

I see rock stars, TV stars and movie stars doing all sorts of guest appearances, promotional appearances and commercials. I wonder if the fans of those artists give them as much slack as we give U2.

If U2 were singing about Big Macs, then I'd be complaining with you. But as it stands, I see nothing wrong with this special CD.

[zonelistener]

Originally posted by Lilly:

You watch it there zone!!!! You NEVER mock Target!!! EVER!!! Or Best Buy!! They're good for Minnesotan economy!! Target's clothing isn't made in TWC's, they had a big thing about that on KARE 11 not too long ago (did you watch that last night? With the horses? What the hell were they doing?! Sorry...back to my post). And as far as Best Buy is concerned, well, they provide me with U2. Therefore, I love them.

Just because U2 drinks Coke doesn't mean they support Coke. Just because Edge wears Adidas doesn't mean he's aligned with Adidas. And so on and so on and so on. I think it's funny we're so concerned we post over this... m'eh

Lily my dear child...
I am not mocking Target or Best Buy. I was supporting them. They have been very gracious to two not-for-profits very close to my heart. And, as sad as this may sound, I'm not sure if I could live without Target. (Three trips in two days - Time to move to Europe to cut the addiction)

I mised the KARE 11 piece, sorry.

[speedracer]

No one has yet mentioned that Richard Branson wanted to use "Even Better Than The Real Thing" to pitch Virgin Cola and slag off Coke. U2 refused.

[Holy John]

Originally posted by speedracer:
No one has yet mentioned that Richard Branson wanted to use "Even Better Than The Real Thing" to pitch Virgin Cola and slag off Coke. U2 refused.

In that field, what gets me mad is that the cunt Yoko Ono sold 'Instant Karma' to Nike (I'm sure Lennon wouldnt support their Child Labor) and that Micheal Jackson also sold 'Revolution' for a Nike commercial. Anyways, that was my "I don't like Yoko" part for the day.


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[DebbieSG]

Originally posted by zooropamanda:


Some of us discussed this in chat last night and i seriously am starting to wonder . The whole tarjet thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Have they forgotten what ZOOTV and POPMART were all about?

I am a member of the "Pepsi Generation" so none of this has anything to do with me.

You must realize that Coca Cola once stood proud whilst a chorus sang "What the world needs now, is love, sweet love/ no not just for some, but for everyone..."

Back then we had these large flat round disks called records that were made of vinyl and you used a stereo with a turntable and a needle with a diamond that you placed very carefully on the groove in the record where you wanted to play...then you flipped the record over and dropped the needle down again on the back side of the record. When a song was really great you could buy it on a smaller version called a "45", this was a "single" and it had a song on the other side that wasn't as good, it was the "b" side.

Luckily we still have coke.

[U2Bama]

Originally posted by melon:
If slavery were legal somewhere, I'm sure the American multinational corporations would be right at the nation's doorstep.

As it stands, Melon, slavery is unofficially legal in Sudan. The northern government in Khartoum (which happens to rule by a theocratic code) enslaves the southern minorities (who happen to practice religions outside of that theocratic code) where the oil fields are located.

The United States forbids its companies from doing business in Sudan for the reason of their slave state status. On the other hand, Canada and certain European nations allow their businesses to operate in this medieval slave state. Canada's Talisman Oil Company controls approximately 25% of the petroleum resources in Sudan, with the blood and sweat of slave labor.

I'm quite disgusted that such a government exists, much less does business with nations such as Canada. Personally, I think the U.S. should have gone further during the fall legislative session and seriously considered Congressman Spencer Bachus' legislation BANNING companies doing business in Sudan from being publicly traded in our stock markets.

So, a slave state DOES still exist, and the U.S. and it's companies are NOT at its doorstep. Just as Target doesn't own K-Mart and Coca Cola didn't invent Santa Claus.

~U2Alabama

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[melon]

Originally posted by U2Bama:
So, a slave state DOES still exist, and the U.S. and it's companies are NOT at its doorstep. Just as Target doesn't own K-Mart and Coca Cola didn't invent Santa Claus.

Cute...

I guess that the equivalent of less than a dollar an hour in some third-world nations doesn't constitute slavery. I guess as long as you throw a few pennies at the prostitute...

FYI, Coca-Cola invented the "image" of Santa Claus as we know it. Yes, Santa Claus existed previous to the 1940s, but he was depicted differently in regards to looks.

Melon

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[U2Bama]

Originally posted by melon:
Cute...

I guess that the equivalent of less than a dollar an hour in some third-world nations doesn't constitute slavery. I guess as long as you throw a few pennies at the prostitute...

FYI, Coca-Cola invented the "image" of Santa Claus as we know it. Yes, Santa Claus existed previous to the 1940s, but he was depicted differently in regards to looks.

Melon

You were predicting that if a true slave state existed, American corporations would participate in it. Well, it does exist, and they don't participate.

And regarding Santa Claus/Coca Cola, I refer you to a post by Klodomir several weeks ago, in which she pointed out to you that it's not true:

originally posted by Klodomir awhile back in another thread:
No, Melon, I'm afraid that you have fallen for an urban legend which is popular in the US but fairly unknown in Europe. Santa Claus looked like that decades before the Coca Cola Company launched their first Santa campaign. http://www.snopes2.com/cokelore/santa.htm

Check that out.

~U2Alabama

[Holy John]

" We should sue Coca-Cola and te Backstreet boys. They're doin' Coke adds on TV and Coke hurts the teeth of the youth. Anyways... that's the americans huh... they don't get it. They... just... don't... get...it..."
- Noel Gallagher

"Y'knowwhatImean?" - Liam

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[melon]

Originally posted by U2Bama:
Check that out.

Hooray for postmodernism. I must remember to distrust my history textbooks for the future. It isn't a surprise, though, considering that the inaccuracies within textbooks are quite common.

Information is now wired in my brain for future reference.

Melon

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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

[melon]

And the only reason American corporations aren't in Sudan is because they are forbidden at the federal level. If it were not regulated, I'm sure they'd be there competing with the Canadians to see who can oppress the most laborers.

But, as I stated before, I guess throwing pennies at people isn't slavery technically, but it is about as close to it as you can get.

Melon



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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

[joyfulgirl]

Originally posted by Holy John:
In that field, what gets me mad is that the cunt Yoko Ono sold 'Instant Karma' to Nike (I'm sure Lennon wouldnt support their Child Labor) and that Micheal Jackson also sold 'Revolution' for a Nike commercial. Anyways, that was my "I don't like Yoko" part for the day.

LOL--you know, I often find myself defending Yoko for various reasons, but then when this comes up I have to surrender because there is nothing to say in defense of her there.

[speedracer]

Originally posted by joyfulgirl:
LOL--you know, I often find myself defending Yoko for various reasons, but then when this comes up I have to surrender because there is nothing to say in defense of her there.

Yoko was also untalented, obnoxious and ugly.

[joyfulgirl]

Originally posted by speedracer:
Yoko was also untalented, obnoxious and ugly.

But how do you really feel? LOL...I know, I am the only John Lennon fan on the planet who gives Yoko a break. Maybe she doesn't deserve it, but I always find myself sympathizing with her in interviews. But then, she apparently screwed Julian over and a new generation will think "Instant Karma" is a Coke commercial.

Sorry, don't want to hijack this thread...

[melon]

I posted this in defense of Yoko Ono on another website forum a few months back:

"Now I think it is easy to dismiss Yoko Ono. Her shrill voice and avant-garde style, especially when combined with rock god, John Lennon, turns many people off. However, I think that if it weren't for her influence on John Lennon, the music we enjoy today would not exist.

The Beatles, of course, were the first great rock band. I'm sure that someone here will find some way to disagree, but it's true really. And, of course, a lot of great music was written before Yoko came in, but it was, essentially, straight forward pop/rock. However, once Yoko came into the picture, her experimental nature influenced Lennon to move beyond the box.

Perhaps it was because of her that Lennon decided to quit the Beatles, but I'm not here to debate that. However, if you listen to Lennon's work with the Beatles, and you listen to his solo work, it's profoundly different in many ways. Lennon proved that a good musician didn't have to stay in one category to be great. Listen to the music by the Beatles, listen to "Plastic Ono Band," listen to "Shaved Fish," and then listen to "Double Fantasy." All Lennon. All different. And while I do believe that Lennon was different by nature, Yoko pushed him to go further into left field, perhaps sowing the seeds for alternative music.

Of course, Ono, herself, sings very weird songs. It's definitely not for the average music listener. You don't even have to like her; I find anything by her hard to listen to, aside from "Season Of Glass." But I think, perhaps, it's time to give her her place in music history. After all, even U2 has admitted a deep admiration to John Lennon's work, and maybe, had Ono not been there to get Lennon to think way off of left field, our world of music, our world of "alternative" may not exist."

Yeah, I know. How can one defend the most hated woman in music? What I will admit is that her business practices regarding the handling of John Lennon's music have certainly been questionable at times, enough to make you want to roll your eyes in disgust.

Melon

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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time

[joyfulgirl]

melon!! Bravo!!! I totally agree. I thought I was over in left field all by myself.

[Holy John]

Originally posted by U2Bama:
You were predicting that if a true slave state existed, American corporations would participate in it. Well, it does exist, and they don't participate.

~U2Alabama

What is Nike ?or Child Labor or paying employees like one dollar per day, or forbid them to form Unions, etc...

Yes yes yes, I hear you "Canadian petrol companies" blablabla. Yes I agree with you. The difference is, I am a nationalist, but I can critic the companies of my city/country. And I write to them, sign petition and go in the streets when its the time to do so. I'm not a guy whos there in front of his computer, saying "Ahhh... my country, my interest me me me me me me me me me me meeee". You say that in front of your computer, you critic but you don't make any actions.



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[speedracer]

Originally posted by Holy John:

I'm not a guy whos there in front of his computer, saying "Ahhh... my country, my interest me me me me me me me me me me meeee". You say that in front of your computer, you critic but you don't make any actions.

That's rather presumptuous of you to say something like that.

[U2Bama]

Originally posted by Holy John:
The difference is, I am a nationalist, but I can critic the companies of my city/country. And I write to them, sign petition and go in the streets when its the time to do so. I'm not a guy whos there in front of his computer, saying "Ahhh... my country, my interest me me me me me me me me me me meeee". You say that in front of your computer, you critic but you don't make any actions.

YES, that DAMNED presumptuous of you, Holy John. But it doesn't surprise me coming from someone who called me a "Southern wanker" in this forum several months ago. THAT is no different than racial or ethnic harassment, as far as I am concerned.

How do you know WHAT IN THE HELL I say in front of my computer? How do you know WHAT IN THE HELL I communicate to my Congressmen and Senators about American policy?

So, you consider yourself a "nationalist" now? A few months ago you considered yourself a "militant." Whatever.

As far as Nike and child labor, I don't wear Nike products. In fact, I try to "Buy American" when I can, which reminds me, one night you came into chat asking "Where are U2's tour t-shirts manufactured?" When I informed you that they were "Made In U.S.A.," you seemed a bit disappointed and called of your planned protest. Maybe you could protest against them for being "occidental" to quote a word you like to use.

~U2Alabama