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Old 03-28-2008, 08:38 PM   #1
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U.S. Citizens and Firearms: A recent poll

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105721/Pu...-Own-Guns.aspx
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From the survey:-

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Just 11% advocate gun laws that are less strict.
A finding that you probably won't be drawing attention to in your pro-gun threads....
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see here's what i don't get about the NRA wack jobs who don't want to be screened/registered/whatever.

To own a car, you need to show competency, knowledge of safety rules, carry insurance, be photographed and sometimetimes fingerprinted, your behavior in that vehicle is monitored and if you misuse it/abuse it you don't get to have one.

The same NRA wackos don't seem to have an issue with that. Yet, somehow to do the same for owning a gun is an abhorrent infringement of civil liberties ??? It's no different than owning a car idiots !
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A finding that you probably won't be drawing attention to in your pro-gun threads....


I prefer pro-liberty threads as a more precise term.


Take care,

I'm off this weekend to butcher a hog.
And yes, we will have to use a firearm to turn
this hog into sausage.
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I prefer pro-liberty threads as a more precise term.
Would you like a side of Freedom Fries with that?

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Would you like a side of Freedom Fries with that?



Yes

And it would be nice if you could pass those fries onward to the Sudan, China and North Korea.

*and other places in need of some Freedom Fries


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Florida lawmakers pass "take your guns to work" law

By Michael PeltierWed Apr 9, 3:49 PM ET

Most Florida residents would be allowed to take guns to work under a measure passed by Florida lawmakers on Wednesday.

The bill, allowing workers to keep guns in their cars for self-protection, was approved by the Florida Senate by a vote of 26-13. It now goes to Republican Gov. Charlie Crist to sign into law.

Backed by the National Rifle Association and some labor unions, the so-called "take-your-guns-to-work" measure would prohibit business owners from banning guns kept locked in motor vehicles on their private property.

The measure applies to employees, customers and those invited to the business establishment as long as they have a permit to carry the weapon.

Backers say the measure upholds the vision of the authors of the U.S. Constitution, who made the right to bear arms part of the Bill of Rights.

"The second thing they wrote about in that constitution was the right to bear arms," said Sen. Durell Peaden, a Republican from Crestview, Florida. "It was what was dear in their hearts."

The measure exempts a number of workplaces including nuclear power plants, prisons, schools and companies whose business involves homeland security.

Critics say the measure usurps business owners' rights to determine what happens on their property and puts workers and managers at risk from disgruntled employees.

Dozens of workplace shootings occur every year in the United States and studies have shown that job sites where guns are permitted are more likely to suffer workplace homicides than those where guns are prohibited.

"This is an attempt to trample upon the property rights of property owners and attempt to make it more difficult to protect the workers in a workplace and those who visit our retail establishments," said Sen. Ted Deutch, a Boca Raton Democrat.

Oklahoma, Alaska, Kentucky, and Mississippi have similar laws, although in Oklahoma, an appellate court barred the state from enforcing the legislation on grounds that it was unconstitutional.

Florida business groups are urging the governor to veto the measure, saying owners should be allowed to determine what happens on their property.

"We are disappointed that politics clearly won over good policy," Mark Wilson, president and chief executive of the Florida Chamber of Commerce, said in a statement.
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see here's what i don't get about the NRA wack jobs who don't want to be screened/registered/whatever.

To own a car, you need to show competency, knowledge of safety rules, carry insurance, be photographed and sometimetimes fingerprinted, your behavior in that vehicle is monitored and if you misuse it/abuse it you don't get to have one.

The same NRA wackos don't seem to have an issue with that. Yet, somehow to do the same for owning a gun is an abhorrent infringement of civil liberties ??? It's no different than owning a car idiots !

doesn't anyone want to respond to this? iron horse? anyone?
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What response do you expect? I think that it would be unreasonable to allow anybody to go out and buy a gun without any sort of registration or demonstration of aptitude in this day and age.

An important issue is that gun control seems to be gun ban, much like the system in place here. I honestly think that in gun ownership the US by having the second amendment is more free, however the consequences of that freedom (like so many others) can be negative at times.
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doesn't anyone want to respond to this? iron horse? anyone?


What is the question?
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What is the question?
Allow me.

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To own a car, you need to show competency, knowledge of safety rules, carry insurance, be photographed and sometimetimes fingerprinted, your behavior in that vehicle is monitored and if you misuse it/abuse it you don't get to have one.
It seems most people don't have an issue with this whatsoever.

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Yet, somehow to do the same for owning a gun is an abhorrent infringement of civil liberties ???
So here is the question, in case you didn't catch the drift from the quotes: Why is the NRA completely not ok with putting similar tests, monitoring and limits on obtaining and using a gun license as are needed to obtain and use a driver's license?
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So here is the question, in case you didn't catch the drift from the quotes: Why is the NRA completely not ok with putting similar tests, monitoring and limits on obtaining and using a gun license as are needed to obtain and use a driver's license?
Because driving is a privilege, not a right. Why does the ACLU not make news corporations or pundits take tests to show competency and non-bias? Because they fight for the 1st Amendment. The NRA fights for 2nd Amendment rights.

While I do believe there needs to be some regulation--convicted felons, people with mental illness and so on...I find it very disheartening how many people on both sides of the political spectrum these days feel that they can simply cherry pick the parts of the Constitution that they like and do away with the parts that they dont like.
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You know, the Constitution isn't always right. That's why it's open for amendment and such.
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You know, the Constitution isn't always right. That's why it's open for amendment and such.
Is it wrong on the right to bear arms ? What kind of amendment would you support on this ?
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Is it wrong on the right to bear arms ? What kind of amendment would you support on this ?
I certainly believe it is wrong on the right to bear arms. The society (you) live in today does not demand it be a constitutional right.

The only amendment I would support is complete removal from the domestic environment of all guns, except in rural/farming environments. The police, military, gun club and recreational shooting, and certain other miscellaneous fields are the only valid places for guns to be used. The reasons argued for domestic and personal use are not a result of a particular right to bear arms, but because of a failing in something else - either your justice system, your police departments, etc. Reasons cited are for personal protection. How does this not void the role of a police department? The availability and use of guns in criminal circles is directly related to your justice system. It's a complex matter which needs to be addressed in other ways, as complicated as they are. The answer is not to allow citizens the right to bear arms.
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The only amendment I would support is complete removal from the domestic environment of all guns, except in rural/farming environments. The police, military, gun club and recreational shooting, and certain other miscellaneous fields are the only valid places for guns to be used.....The answer is not to allow citizens the right to bear arms.
Thank you for clarifying.
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Is it wrong on the right to bear arms ? What kind of amendment would you support on this ?
It's definately outdated... Especially the part of a well regulated militia...
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