U. of Florida Student Arrested & Tasered at John Kerry Forum for Asking Questions.

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by Flying FuManchu

How bout this social experiment. Why don't you all speed, in your cars, and try to get pulled over by the cops. Once the cop pulls you over, and is walking towards your car to ask for your license and registration, just open your door and walk out to greet him/ her and see what the reaction from the cop might be, cuz I'll tell you, it won't be pleasant. And don't be surprised if he/ she pulls a gun or tazer and tells you to get on the ground or hands up. The point of this example- believe it or not, there is a certain "protocol" when dealing with police. You don't come out of your car no matter how harmless you might think it is (even making sudden movements while in the car is frowned upon). If you're resisting arrest and causing a disturbance and then you are told that you are gonna get tazed, several times, then don't be surprised that you do get tazed.

yes, because a Q&A session at a political forum at a university is entirely comparable to a traffic stop late at night.

well done.

[BVS]

Originally posted by Flying FuManchu



How bout this social experiment. Why don't you all speed, in your cars, and try to get pulled over by the cops. Once the cop pulls you over, and is walking towards your car to ask for your license and registration, just open your door and walk out to greet him/ her and see what the reaction from the cop might be, cuz I'll tell you, it won't be pleasant. And don't be surprised if he/ she pulls a gun or tazer and tells you to get on the ground or hands up. The point of this example- believe it or not, there is a certain "protocol" when dealing with police. You don't come out of your car no matter how harmless you might think it is (even making sudden movements while in the car is frowned upon). If you're resisting arrest and causing a disturbance and then you are told that you are gonna get tazed, several times, then don't be surprised that you do get tazed.

Shit analogy...

[BVS]

Originally posted by Flying FuManchu


I think the cops did their job, but since it was a woman police officer involved, mebbe it's proof that females shouldn't be on the field as cops?

Your trolling has gotten pretty lazy and weak over the years.

[Flying FuManchu]

Originally posted by Irvine511




yes, because a Q&A session at a political forum at a university is entirely comparable to a traffic stop late at night.

well done.

I think you're losing sight of the point. There is an "ettiquete" when dealing/ confronting with police, especially when they are ordering you to do something. or if you're in a position to be arrested. Did people not expect him to be restrained and something like a taser would not come out if he continued to resist?

[BVS]

Originally posted by Flying FuManchu



There is an "ettiquete" when dealing/ confronting with police, especially when they are ordering you to do something. or if you're in a position to be arrested.

There is also ettiquete by cops when dealing with civilians, like having to tell you why you are being put in cuffs...

[BVS]

Originally posted by Flying FuManchu



Did people not expect him to be restrained and something like a taser would not come out if he continued to resist?

Um, actually yes, I expected something much different. Like forcefully being escorted out of the building. Or at least I would think 6 trained police could cuff one college kid without a taser...

but maybe I'm expecting too much.

[phillyfan26]

Originally posted by Flying FuManchu
I think the cops did their job, but since it was a woman police officer involved, mebbe it's proof that females shouldn't be on the field as cops?

Alright, now I'm sure you're delusional.

[phillyfan26]

Originally posted by Flying FuManchu
How bout this social experiment. Why don't you all speed, in your cars, and try to get pulled over by the cops. Once the cop pulls you over, and is walking towards your car to ask for your license and registration, just open your door and walk out to greet him/ her and see what the reaction from the cop might be, cuz I'll tell you, it won't be pleasant. And don't be surprised if he/ she pulls a gun or tazer and tells you to get on the ground or hands up. The point of this example- believe it or not, there is a certain "protocol" when dealing with police. You don't come out of your car no matter how harmless you might think it is (even making sudden movements while in the car is frowned upon). If you're resisting arrest and causing a disturbance and then you are told that you are gonna get tazed, several times, then don't be surprised that you do get tazed.

How does that relate in ANY way to this situation?

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by Flying FuManchu



I think you're losing sight of the point. There is an "ettiquete" when dealing/ confronting with police, especially when they are ordering you to do something. or if you're in a position to be arrested. Did people not expect him to be restrained and something like a taser would not come out if he continued to resist?

tasers are used at an officer's discretion, but there has to be some sort of threat to the officer involved to warrant such force, and there wasn't any in this case -- there were 4 officers and one individual. the individual was unarmed, was not attacking anyone, and no one anywhere at any time was in any sort of danger. he was just a pain in the ass. being a pain in the ass is not a reason to be tasered, and the "resisting" in this case is pretty weak -- there were 4 cops there. this was not a use of reasonable force.

i think the guy's a jackass. i don't think he needed to be tasered, and this isn't a question of "you weren't there." 4 cops and one guy? i don't care if this was an elaborate practical joke, if he meant to get arrested and cuffed. the tasering was way, way out of line. cops are trained to take down one offender, cuff them, and get him/her under control. here you had 4 officers holding him down and tasering him.

the incident didn't even require police intervention at all.

[LMP]

Originally posted by kellyahern


Had to do it . If I didn't, FSU takes my diploma away

This is true.

After seeing this video on the local news and online, I've got to agree that the tazering was completely unwarranted and excessive. It's a completely Orwellian video, that's what scares me the most.

About the half-assed "police etiquette" analogy, police officers are people, too. They're not going to rush to get a tazer out on a person speeding for some perverted joy, at least the majority of them. I don't understand what any of your arguments have to do with this topic at all, and that macro earlier was great, too.

[MrsSpringsteen]

When you put a taser or a gun in the hands of some police officers it becomes, I would assume, awfully easy at times to use them rather than to take the much more difficult route of trying to deal with someone without one. It is a huge amount of power to have, the key is to keep that power balanced with ethical and moral responsibility and clear thought processes. That is much easier obviously in non-life threatening situations such as this one-assuming they didn't believe any lives were threatened, which they obviously weren't since he had no known weapon. I would imagine the audience was screened for weapons, maybe not. He made no threats against them either, not that I have heard about.

[Sherry Darling]

I read threads like this and I'm reminded that there are those of my fellow Americans who would welcome facism here with applause for law and order.

[deep]

this kid will most likely not even be charged


but this thread has been a wonderful kum ba yah opportunity for us white folks to come together on

something we can relate to

[phillyfan26]

Originally posted by MrsSpringsteen
When you put a taser or a gun in the hands of some police officers it becomes, I would assume, awfully easy at times to use them rather than to take the much more difficult route of trying to deal with someone without one. It is a huge amount of power to have, the key is to keep that power balanced with ethical and moral responsibility and clear thought processes. That is much easier obviously in non-life threatening situations such as this one-assuming they didn't believe any lives were threatened, which they obviously weren't since he had no known weapon. I would imagine the audience was screened for weapons, maybe not. He made no threats against them either, not that I have heard about.

Then again, with so many issues arising these days involving scrutiny of the police, I think also many policemen would be inclined to hold back in some respects for fear of being accused of using "excessive force." These incidents of video surfacing online are becoming more common with the genesis of YouTube, and network news more inclined to take viewer-sent material. While I see your point and agree to a certain extent with what you're saying, I think that in these situations police have more responsibility and issues to deal with than ever before. I don't think it's too bold a statement to say that the image of police officers in this country is not at it's peak right now, to say the least. The scrutiny they face makes it harder to make that call.

[UberBeaver]

[Canadiens1131]

After viewing the Youtube video of said incident, I feel that it was unnecessary to taser the guy, as in many cases with police using stun guns.

However, this idiot basically ran into an organized public forum ALREADY being chased by cops, made a total mess of the proceedings, continued to act like a cunt and asked more questions even after Kerry was gracious enough to answer one for him, and resisted when the police attempted to escort him out of the building.

Now, I have no problem with free speech, but I do have a problem with nincompoops who shout "what are you doing!!!! police brutality!!!!" and flop around like a fish on the deck of a boat when security attempts to remove them for being unruly.

It's like the idiots who wanted attention in grade school and wouldn't wait for their turn to be called on. The guy was completely entitled to his question, if he had been sitting as an audience member like everyone else and waited for his possible turn like everyone else.

So, in the end

The Rest of Us: 1
Douchebag College Student: 0
Police Use of Taser: Unwarranted

[verte76]

He didn't do anything wrong. He just asked some questions. I didn't see it, but my parents told me about it.

[AnnRKeyintheUSA]

There was no need to tase him. He was subdued.

[Canadiens1131]

I just don't understand why the 5+ police couldn't have just dragged the guy, kicking and screaming as he was doing pre-tasing, out of the building.

With such advances in non-lethal weapons, it's quite disturbing thinking about how these weapons will be used unnecessarily. Even worse than the taser is the new "Silent Guardian" instant pain-o-rama raygun currently in US Army testing.

[MrsSpringsteen]

I think we can make points here without using the c word

(CNN) -- Two University of Florida police officers were on leave with pay Wednesday as university officials tried to sort out what caused them to use an electronic stun gun to subdue a student, the school's president said.

But the student's behavior and past activities prompted questions about whether the incident was part of a stunt.

The Florida Division of Law Enforcement will investigate Monday's arrest of Andrew Meyer, said University of Florida President J. Bernard Machen. Machen called the incident "regretful for us."

"The thing that I regret is that civil dialogue and civil discourse did not happen," Machen said. "That's fundamental to a university campus. Why it didn't happen is what we're trying to sort out."

Machen said authorities have not determined whether Tasers were used improperly.

In addition, he said a student-faculty review panel will examine "all of our protocols relative to student dialogue and faculty interaction" in the wake of the incident.