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Old 04-23-2017, 10:23 AM   #721
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Old 04-23-2017, 02:23 PM   #723
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Old 04-23-2017, 03:15 PM   #724
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So, looks like it's Macron and Le Pen advancing to round 2 in France. I know little about Macron, but I hope he wins in two weeks. I don't want to see another right-wing anti-immigrant victory.
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Tremendous re: Trump tweet.

Just tremendous.
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I hear he's polling ahead, and since France doesn't have to deal with a pesky electoral college, it's likely that lead will turn into a win.

Please, oh please, France.
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So, looks like it's Macron and Le Pen advancing to round 2 in France. I know little about Macron, but I hope he wins in two weeks. I don't want to see another right-wing anti-immigrant victory.
It's a pretty disappointing run off, probably only preferable to Fillon and Le Pen. I think the issue here is that even if they lose, the far right will have effectively dragged the centrists 'towards' them - and I don't expect much positive from Macron other than 'he's not Le Pen'.

I'm mostly a bit peeved that Hamon didn't drop out weeks ago when it was clear he didn't a stand a chance and his party was in the absolute pits thanks to the Hollande government. Really took away from Melenchon.
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So when does the next vote happen?
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Old 04-23-2017, 11:51 PM   #730
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So when does the next vote happen?

Ive heard it's around May 2nd? Im pretty sure it's early May. I hope Macron would win then, but...
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It's a pretty disappointing run off, probably only preferable to Fillon and Le Pen. I think the issue here is that even if they lose, the far right will have effectively dragged the centrists 'towards' them - and I don't expect much positive from Macron other than 'he's not Le Pen'.

I'm mostly a bit peeved that Hamon didn't drop out weeks ago when it was clear he didn't a stand a chance and his party was in the absolute pits thanks to the Hollande government. Really took away from Melenchon.
gutted

am 100% sure that Le Pen will not win the second round though, just not possible (i hope)

Vlad, i am also disappointed Hamon didn't step down - he didn't have a chance - he's waged war on Hollande for the past 5 years, so he didn't even have the full backing of his own party... such a shame as Melenchon was soooo close, and ridiculously stubborn as well seeing as both Melenchon and Hamon were originally from the same party, Hamon also to the left of Hollande - it would have just made so much sense... sad for Melenchon, but there is pretty much a third round in June, with the parliamentary elections, so Melenchon voters should hang in there and try to win some seats in parliament, and look to the presidential elections in 5 years' time...

proud of my village, and my region as Le Pen only came third and fourth respectively

already, the other political parties are calling for voters to do the "Front Republicain" against Le Pen and vote for Macron - the "Front Republicain" is our safety net against fascism, where voters of all different persuasions unite to block Le Pen in the second round - this should work... my anarchist friend who vowed never ever to vote for Macron has just popped in, devastated, and says he is going to vote for Macron in round 2

feel pretty sick though - will be an uncomfortable couple of weeks...
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gutted

am 100% sure that Le Pen will not win the second round though, just not possible (i hope)

Vlad, i am also disappointed Hamon didn't step down - he didn't have a chance - he's waged war on Hollande for the past 5 years, so he didn't even have the full backing of his own party... such a shame as Melenchon was soooo close, and ridiculously stubborn as well seeing as both Melenchon and Hamon were originally from the same party, Hamon also to the left of Hollande - it would have just made so much sense... sad for Melenchon, but there is pretty much a third round in June, with the parliamentary elections, so Melenchon voters should hang in there and try to win some seats in parliament, and look to the presidential elections in 5 years' time...
It just seemed like a stubborn attempt to save the PS as opposed to letting it perish - it is essentially dead in the water and it looks like it's been so for a while. Costly in the end.

I think the main hope for Melenchon and his party is if the recent momentum can produce a strong movement - and one that is not centred on Melenchon himself ideally.

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I think the main hope for Melenchon and his party is if the recent momentum can produce a strong movement - and one that is not centred on Melenchon himself ideally.
i think it has already - the results were amazing, and i'm sure the movement will go from strength to strength in the next five years - so close this time, so pretty sure they will bounce back, and will be force against the FN in the 2022 elections - hope so anyway!

it's pretty heartening when you add up all the votes for the left, roughly 27-28% overall, no way the left is dead in France contrary to popular belief
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sickening though - the FN instantly started going fishing for Melenchon voters - really hope they hate Le Pen more than they hate Macron... will be interesting to see what Melenchon will say about all this in the next few days... all the Melenchon voters i know would rather die than vote Le Pen at least haha - they hate Macron as they see him as big finance, probably a bit like Sanders/Hilary, but if you need to eat and it's a choice between some stale noodles and a bucket of sick, i know what i'd choose
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We had the same choice here and look what happened
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Different electoral systems, and Macron is far ahead of Le Pen in the predicted two way run off polls - Clinton/Trump were much closer. Macron winning is a safe bet for now.
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National Front winning the election seems much more likely than Republican winning, isn't it? I know Trump was an unusual candidate but he's still from an established party
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Entire Senate to go to White House for North Korea briefing...

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN17Q1LR

Here we go for war!
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US embassy UK website promoting Mar A Lago!....

https://uk.usembassy.gov/mar-lago-winter-white-house/


How is he getting away with this?!
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