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Old 02-10-2017, 03:54 PM   #181
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I agree he didn't think he'd win (remember how he was going to start TrumpTV to capitalize after, and there was even a space in his press row marked TrumpTV), I don't venue think he started with any idea that he'd win the Republican nomination... this isn't his first rodeo. He has run before, and everyone pretty much accepted it as a publicity stunt and ignored him... Because, ya know, he has zero business being anywhere near the White House and all.

and he's obviously out of his element, that's undeniable. Only the staunchest of Trump sheep would deny that (tick tock tick tock)

But feel sorry for him? Fuck no. He could have ended this at any time. He ran with it, and along the line I think his ego allowed himself to be convinced that he could actually do the thing (newsflash, he can't).

He allowed himself to be an empty vessel for the worst of the worst, and have given them emense power. He has put this nation in peril.

Fuck him and the iron pyrite plated horse he rode in on.
Amen to every word of this.
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Old 02-10-2017, 04:09 PM   #182
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Old 02-10-2017, 05:18 PM   #183
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Old 02-10-2017, 07:42 PM   #184
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I mean we can't allow this blatant racism to continue in this forum Diemen. Enough is enough.


Oh, wait, sorry... that was the President. To congresspersons.
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You'd think he would have figured that our BEFORE inviting Abe to The Famous White House.
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Two colossal dickheads on one plane.
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Old 02-10-2017, 09:09 PM   #187
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I think that might be one of the first times I've seen a picture of El Trumpo smiling.
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Welp, buckle up for another weekend in our fun new world.

ICE going door to door asking for papers.

Rumors that Flynn might be out.

Rumors that WH is looking for a new press secretary.

No first lady or even Mrs Pence around to escort the Japanese PM's wife around DC during their official visit. (Not a scary thing, just another example of What Happens When You Have No Idea What You Are Doing And You Fired Anyone Who Might Have Helpful Tips On How To President.)
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Kellyanne Conway is going to take Mrs. Abe shopping at Nordstrom for some Ivanka crap.
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I agree with most of this, we're becoming a nation of echo chambers. The right has theirs and the left has now almost completely enveloped themselves in theirs. We've had extensive discussions about higher education being "liberal", and I really don't think that's the point, but something has to change in regards to the exchanging of ideas.

We must not become Trump. We must not become the modern day right, where if they don't like it, it's fake, where feelings are more important than facts, where hypocrisy is mainstream.
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But BVS, is there really a will for that from the right? Especially the far right? Do you believe they have the slightest interest in listening? Do you think their leaders have the slightest interest in encouraging such behaviour?

I've banged on about this before but, are we not witnessing the prelude of a broken USA. There are two nations here. Not sure geographically (although in a way there's that too) but in terms of ideals, dreams, aspirations.

Surely such a separation is more likely than your entirely reasonable but perhaps impossible suggestion of common sense?
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I think that might be one of the first times I've seen a picture of El Trumpo smiling.
and it's terrifying
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I missed the news that Trump apparently expanded the global gag rule

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In the past, the policy has applied only to international family-planning funds, which currently total around $600 million. Mr. Trump’s memorandum, however, would apply the policy to “global health assistance furnished by all departments or agencies.” Although reproductive health groups are still studying the memorandum, this language would appear to apply to any international health funding, around $9 billion, used to fight malaria, H.I.V., Zika, Ebola and many other global health threats. This would seem to go well beyond family-planning aid from the Agency for International Development and the State Department, to also include money from all American governmental agencies and departments.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/o...%2Dhealth.html

And it's likely going to bite the US in the ass (just like the anit-vaccination crap).

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No country is a public health island, and Zika, Ebola, multidrug-resistant tuberculosis or the next health threat will not stop at America’s shores.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/o...-expanded.html

And a brief dictionary of Trumpish: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...trump-language
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Welp, buckle up for another weekend in our fun new world.

ICE going door to door asking for papers.

Rumors that Flynn might be out.

Rumors that WH is looking for a new press secretary.

No first lady or even Mrs Pence around to escort the Japanese PM's wife around DC during their official visit. (Not a scary thing, just another example of What Happens When You Have No Idea What You Are Doing And You Fired Anyone Who Might Have Helpful Tips On How To President.)
You forgot some things. Like US officials confirming that at least some aspects of the intelligence brief of information Russia might have on Trump are correct.
US investigators corroborate some aspects of the Russia dossier - CNNPolitics.com
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What Anitram said is pretty spot on. I think you're being dismissive to the idea that people FEEL differently than you. You're speaking in large generalizations because, as you eventually point out, you just don't like him.

I'm from Indiana, I did not live under him as governor, but I saw an awful lot about what he was doing, and maybe people don't remember too well, but Ohio was floundering from moving too far, too fast on social programs, and Kasich fixed it.

From my personal research, because believe it or not, I didn't just listen to his rhetoric(!), he definitely had viewpoints I disagreed with, but I overall trusted him to find a decent middle ground, should the unthinkable (at that point) have happened and Hillary lost the election. Additionally, I WOULD have voted for him over Bernie, should the option have presented itself, because he was not an extreme. We go round and round with this Trump vs Bernie two sides of a coin thing, but let me be clear, if Bernie have won, I would have been OK with that, I'd have just expected us to be pretty hurt financially by the end of his term, hence my feeling that Kasich was a decent middle option.

All of which is to say, when you're talking about feelings and you're dealing with moderates, to assume that we all just liked what we heard from Kasich and did zero research is dismissive and a huge turn off to your cause. That was my point. When you come off as aggressively as someone like Oregoropa, you're only pushing away the people you actually need to convince to come out and vote.
What policies are you referring to? I'm genuinely curious.

Everything in my experience has been people citing him as a centrist baselessly. And as you might imagine, I'm somewhat engaged politically, so it's not totally anecdotal.

And I'm not going to touch on the Sanders thing, we've had it out, you and I clearly disagree on economics. Which is fine! That is a reasonable debate to have. My postulation has always been that a reasonable two sides in America would be a left that embraces democratic socialism and a right that embraces "American centrism" (right wing in other countries). Social issues are a moot point because those are simply issues of right and wrong.

I do not in any way view John Kasich as a centrist or moderate.
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But BVS, is there really a will for that from the right? Especially the far right? Do you believe they have the slightest interest in listening? Do you think their leaders have the slightest interest in encouraging such behaviour?

I've banged on about this before but, are we not witnessing the prelude of a broken USA. There are two nations here. Not sure geographically (although in a way there's that too) but in terms of ideals, dreams, aspirations.

Surely such a separation is more likely than your entirely reasonable but perhaps impossible suggestion of common sense?


No. The right has been there for awhile, and Trump took them to the extreme.

My point is that the left shouldn't become the isolationist that the right are, or we'll be defending lies, stop caring about facts, and just out shout everything we disagree about.
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Even the Dominicans are trolling Trump:

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So the guy surrounded by tremendous brains, is just now figuring out what the rest of us have known for decades, that the wall will cost us too much. But don't fret he'll negotiate(and stiff, and cut corners) and bring the cost down.


Oh, and Mexico still won't pay for it.
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Welp, buckle up for another weekend in our fun new world.

ICE going door to door asking for papers.

Rumors that Flynn might be out.

Rumors that WH is looking for a new press secretary.

No first lady or even Mrs Pence around to escort the Japanese PM's wife around DC during their official visit. (Not a scary thing, just another example of What Happens When You Have No Idea What You Are Doing And You Fired Anyone Who Might Have Helpful Tips On How To President.)
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