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Old 02-02-2017, 10:21 PM   #261
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Little night reading for you. Good night.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...lt_Weapons_Ban

Criteria of an assault weapon[edit]
Under the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 the definition of "semiautomatic assault weapon" included specific semi-automatic firearm models by name, and other semi-automatic firearms= that possessed two or more from a set certain features:[13]


An Intratec TEC-DC9 with 32-round magazine; a semi-automatic pistol formerly classified as an assault weapon under federal law.
Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher mount
Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud safety feature that prevents burns to the operator
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.
Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Detachable magazine.
And your point? I could go through each and every one of those point by point and show you how those modifications change a gun that is no longer for hunting or self-defense.

Trust me, Ive done this several times with our local FYM gun nuts, but this isn't the thread.
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Yeah, from what I can gather, this has nothing to do with Trump and from all responses I see, most people seem to think Haley will be the next to get fired, now.
I was thinking the same thing. Haley's comment goes totally against the "love affair" he's having with Putin. I wonder if she'll be fired tonight or over the weekend?
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How do you expect to rally support for gun safety laws when you have idiots like her wanting to ban everything? Those kind of views alienate those on the other side who would come to your side for reform.
How do you expect to rally support when you have idiots who want to put guns in everyone's hands? Talk about alienation. Seriously, you have got to slow down and take a look in the mirror. All night I've seen you slinging accusations, but with no honest look at your side.
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Putin will just laugh because there is no force behind it.
Probably true. I believe this latest attack in the Ukraine was Putin testing Trump on how he'd react.
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The White House says a deadly raid in Yemen was long planned. Not true, says an Obama administration official.



This administration is pathetic.
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I wonder what could be encouraging these kids?

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Not only is it a lie; but even if it wasn't, why would you use a plan from an administration you said was weak, and why would you use a plan that was several weeks old?

Thinking people would see through this, unfortunately his base will lap it up.
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Actually he's right. The EU has done more harm than good.

A group of bureaucrats in a building somewhere enforcing their policy on every country in the EU doesn't work.
You don't know what you're talking about.

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The EU was masking the ever-present squabbles.
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Bi-Lateral Trade Agreements are the cornerstone of Trumpsim and the new populism.
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The EU is on a decline with or without the American president
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Gareth I don't know much about you but seeing where you come from I have to say there is a fine line between finding common ground to change things and going after a mosquito with a elephant gun which is what Australia did. I have a friend in NZ which while they do have strict gun laws they can still own them.....Even the so called evil ones if you have a collectors license.
Wait a minute. So you reckon not taking in refugees on the odd chance of a potential terrorrist is perfectly legit, but you think gun laws are like going after a mosquito with an elephant gun? Risk psychology at its finest.
You don't know what you're talking about.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ened?CMP=fb_gu

Kellyanne Conway: Making up crap since 1967.
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not to be a dick, but if you seriously have to ask this question (twice) then there's really no chance of having a decent discussion about it
Because its an honest question.....You have some of the strictest gun control in the nation but yet you still want more? OH OH unless you want to completely disarm the whole population of the state.....In which case yes that is the way to go

Hi Salome. Welcome to the conversation. So I could say the same exact thing about gun control. So you want to ban guns because there is a potential that among all the law abiding people there could be a crazy who turns the gun on innocent people. I love Europeans trying to justify gun control to Americans.....Sorry it doesn't work.

BVS I look at my side all the time and there is a lot about it I don't like but there is also a lot about the left I don't like. I belonged to both sides at one point or another. Yes there are idiots that believe in such things but there are also idiots on the left who believe that taking away an individuals rights for the greater good is justified. And my point about the Assault Weapons ban was simply this. It didn't ban the gun it banned the features. You could still buy AR15'S with no bayonet lug. No flash hider. etc etc. A lot of guns had thumbhole stocks to conform to the law. It didn't change what the gun was it just changed the look. I actually bought one recently. Its called a SAR 8 which is a 308 rifle that was imported from Greece with a thumbhole stock & a fake pinned on flash hider. It still takes 20 round magazines. The MAK 90 which was one of the last Chinese AK style guns imported in had no evil features but at it's core it was still an AK47.

Bono. If its working what criminal elements has it stopped? You know the NY ban basically made a lot of gun owners criminals overnight. CA. They just did another defacto ban and now they want an all out assault weapons ban........THEY HAVE 4 OR 5 BLOODY BANS IN PLACE ALREADY!

In the end we simply agree to disagree.
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WE are not in it together. You white, straight, Christian men maybe are.

So in the first sentence of your post you are already being racist? Funny I seem to be in the minority here but I don't see skin color. We are all good people discussing a subject.....You seem to be the one bringing race into it.

Since we are on a music board I cant help but think of another song from a band I love and the lyrics go quite well here.

I am no better and neither are you
We are the same whatever we do
You love me you hate me you know me and then
You can't figure out the bag I'm in
You can't make an argument against PC by saying that you can't say anything without being labeled a racist and then turn around and label this racist.

That's not how this works.
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You can't make an argument against PC by saying that you can't say anything without being labeled a racist and then turn around and label this racist.

That's not how this works.
Headache the point I was trying to make was how can you have a honest to God discussion about current events without someone bringing race into it? It seems to be a fallback point in a lot of ways when someone on the left who I am talking to says "Well your white you don't understand." The hell does my skin color have to do with anything? I'm a human being arent I?


I'm a white, straight, christian man? You don't know a single ****ing thing about me....Yet some of you were quick to put a label on me to justify your opinion of me.

In my experience the opposite side bringing race into it is a pretty common tactic to invalidate my side of view. Doesn't make it justified.
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So on your own there my friend....So on your own there.
Ummm, yea. She's not on her own.

Actually 90% of Americans support better gun regulations.
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Ummm, yea. She's not on her own.

Actually 90% of Americans support better gun regulations.
Bull**** If that was the case the push would have succeeded in 2013. But it didn't and no it was not the NRA it was people like me making our voices heard.

And I hear that number a lot.....What poll did you get that from? Because there is probably a poll that says 50% of Americans believe a dog can walk backwards while scratching it's own ass. That doesn't make it correct.

A lot of polling is manipulated on both sides to justify their argument at the time.
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Bull**** If that was the case the push would have succeeded in 2013. But it didn't and no it was not the NRA it was people like me making our voices heard.

And I hear that number a lot.....What poll did you get that from? Because there is probably a poll that says 50% of Americans believe a dog can walk backwards while scratching it's own ass. That doesn't make it correct.

A lot of polling is manipulated on both sides to justify their argument at the time.
Specifically in regards to background checks, there are about a dozen different polls by a number of different polling companies that back this up.

Feel free to google it.
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Specifically in regards to background checks, there are about a dozen different polls by a number of different polling companies that back this up.

Feel free to google it.
OK we agree.

Background checks there is a lot of favorable feeling towards and I am included in that bunch. I referenced no fly no buy. Two things though 1.Reform the no fly list(Its extremely screwed up) 2.Allow an appeal process....We have a right to due process and it should be extended to that.
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OK we agree.

Background checks there is a lot of favorable feeling towards and I am included in that bunch. I referenced no fly no buy. Two things though 1.Reform the no fly list(Its extremely screwed up) 2.Allow an appeal process....We have a right to due process and it should be extended to that.
And why do you think these things haven't happened? Considering as you don't want to blame the NRA and all...
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Let's revisit Trump. The outside candidate who took down 16 GOP candidates. Hillary Clinton and the DNC machine with a billion dollar warchest.

Trump is a masterful negotiator who views negotiation for what it is . Its about Power, Projection, and is an artform.
Like when he negotiated the USFL out of business, or when he negotiated Atlantic City out of business?

Which one of these masterful artstrokes is he currently using?

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My takeaway from today is that Trump knows exactly what he is doing. He knows right where to apply pressure to weaknesses in negotiation.
If I went to a business partner and started pushing them around, I'd be fired.

If I mocked and laughed at my employees, I'd be fired, and probably sued.

But alas, let's get to why we're really here... and the one point here that was glossed over in am admittedly busier day in FYM than we've seen in a while.

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Chuck Schumer is trying to jockey as the leader of the resistance. Notoriously vicious from making fun of tourists in the Capitol (just yesterday) to calling a flight attendant a bitch in front of the masses, he has set himself up as the perfect Arch-Nemesis to Trump. He looks out of central casting as cartoonish batman villain, and funnily is the perfect caricature of big-government resistance to Populist reform. His affinity for the camera tees him up to get slammed by Trump daily.
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He looks out of central casting as cartoonish batman villain, and funnily is the perfect caricature of big-government resistance to Populist reform.
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I would love for you to did deeper on this one for me.

How, so, does Chuck Schumer look like he's out or central casting as a villain? Be more descriptive and specific. We'd love to hear why you think that...
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Headache the point I was trying to make was how can you have a honest to God discussion about current events without someone bringing race into it? It seems to be a fallback point in a lot of ways when someone on the left who I am talking to says "Well your white you don't understand." The hell does my skin color have to do with anything? I'm a human being arent I?





I'm a white, straight, christian man? You don't know a single ****ing thing about me....Yet some of you were quick to put a label on me to justify your opinion of me.



In my experience the opposite side bringing race into it is a pretty common tactic to invalidate my side of view. Doesn't make it justified.


I'm guessing you were equally as disturbed when Trump said the judge couldn't do his job because of his race, or that Jeb couldn't be strong on immigration because of his wife's race?

The fact that you still don't get her post is a big problem.
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this is fucking ridiculous
former PM of Norway held for questioning at airport on his way to National Prayer Breakfast, due to 2014 visit to Iran

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...014-visit-iran
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