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Old 01-28-2017, 12:39 PM   #421
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Its funny how before Trump was the nominee, he was blasted by Republicans for things like this ban. Including Mike Pence who tweeted in fall 2015 that "Calls to ban all Muslims from entering US are illegal and unconstitutional."

Politics as usual. They're scared if they oppose Trump now that he won, that they'll lose his voters in their next elections. To be fair, Democrats do the same thing. I get the political game...but some issues like this one really stand out.

As a side note, people are suddenly looking back at Bush with more fondness. Despite the awful Iraq war, people are realizing at least he was a steady hand so to speak.
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It's not just Bush. That was just recent history. It's been a very long time since this nation has seen a really loose trigger like this, who is playing totally out of bounds.
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In fact, just hours after Donald Trump was sworn in as president, the White House website touted a misleading crime statistic. On a page entitled "Standing Up For Our Law Enforcement Community," the White House bemoaned the "dangerous anti-police atmosphere in America" and that "killings have risen by 50 percent" in Washington, D.C.

There were 135 homicides in the nation's capital — a 17 percent decrease from the previous year, according to D.C. metro data from 2016. In a statement to VICE News, the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department also pointed out that violent crime overall dropped by 10 percent last year.

It's possible that the Trump administration mistakenly cited an old statistic — in 2015, murders increased by approximately 50 percent from the previous year. That year, however, was an outlier in a steady two-decade decline in violent crime in the district. Regardless, the White House website was amended Wednesday morning to say instead that "killings have risen by 50 percent in the past four years."

"I can't think of a time in my adult life where the White House puts something out and you start with wondering if there's any truthful basis for it," said Philip Stinson, a professor of criminology at Bowling Green State University who has collected extensive data about police misconduct. "It's bizarre that the facts don't matter, science doesn't matter, and good data doesn't matter. There seems to be a very cavalier attitude [in the White House] for the purpose of creating confusion."

Other statistics cited by the White House fail to tell the whole truth. "In 2015, homicides increased by 17 percent in America's fifty largest cities," the same page reads. "That's the largest increase in 25 years." PolitiFact did the math, however, and determined this statement to be "mostly true." Homicides did spike in 2015, and preliminary FBI data for the first half of 2016 also reflect an increase in overall violent crime — but those figures fail to convey the broader downward trend in violence over the past two decades.

"It's very misleading to point to outliers and use them to make a point," Stinson said. "It sets a dangerous precedent, and that's what everyone's worried about."

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"I don't know if you could accuse them of fudging, but there's no 'carnage' here," James Lynch, former director of the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

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"We're still talking about historically low murder rates," Lynch said.
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Iran bans all US citizens from entering country https://twitter.com/cnni/status/825398650264227841

If you can't see this is world war stuff then you must be blind.
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True. I mean, Bill Clinton got impeached for lying about giving a handjob which really had no effect on the country. I was young but remember what a big story that was, and it seemed so ridiculous. Were things going so well that lying about a handjob caused such hysteria? Talk about "morals" and "Character" is what led to Republicans wanting that. And now they have Trump representing them...how funny things change.

What will Trump get away with? They've already lied about numerous things, some stupid things like crowd sizes which also have no effect on the country, but its only been a week.

Trump might possibly be a danger to our country. Obama, Bushes, Clinton, Reagan weren't perfect...but by far they weren't dangerous. How can we be sure he won't start a pointless war with Iran because of his own ego?
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How can we be sure he won't start a pointless war with Iran because of his own ego?
We can't be, that's the terrifying thing.
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Iran bans all US citizens from entering country https://twitter.com/cnni/status/825398650264227841

If you can't see this is world war stuff then you must be blind.

Well. There goes that alley of peace and relations with a non-extremist Islamic country.
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People with green cards not allowed in confirmed. This is utterly disgusting.https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/825367399914405888
Unfuckingbelievable.
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Trump supporters want us to give him a chance? Lol that's a good one! He should be locked up not be given a chance! Everyday it gets more and more disgusting!
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If he released his Tax Returns, would we be able to see how much money he made in the past from his business in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, etc? He doesn't care about Americans, he cares about his ego and $$$. But I think his supporters will eat this up anyway and ignore his bias towards certain countries that have padded his bank account.

As a side note I think when it comes to refugees you do need a system in place, not just to make sure they aren't linked to ISIS, but to integrate them successfully, something other countries like Germany and France have struggled with. They accepted thousands of them and didn't know how to handle it. And yes, some ISIS supporters got in, a small number. You have people who don't speak the language, will struggle to find work & money, have different beliefs, etc suddenly thrown into a whole other world so to speak. I understand you can't just plop them down, but our politicians should be thinking up a way to make it work rather than arguing all the time. Its sort of like how we have issues taking care of some of our own veterans and homeless. Nothing changes because they don't work it out.
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Bill Clinton got impeached for lying about giving a handjob
well this is certainly an interesting new twist.
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well this is certainly an interesting new twist.

"I did not have sexual relations with my penis."
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well this is certainly an interesting new twist.
In more ways than one
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Iran bans all US citizens from entering country https://twitter.com/cnni/status/825398650264227841

If you can't see this is world war stuff then you must be blind.
I guess we are gonna be playing the waiting game for Iran to make the first move until Trump finally gets serious and declares an official war, or rather let Iran do it first.
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Canada's new Immigration Minister was a Somali refugee.

It's not clear if he can cross the U.S. border now:

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...-ministry.html
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I guess we are gonna be playing the waiting game for Iran to make the first move until Trump finally gets serious and declares an official war, or rather let Iran do it first.

A travel ban from a country where US citizens are already afraid to go doesn't sound like war to me.
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Aside from Trump being a garbage person, this refugee ban makes no sense.

Anybody who is at all familiar with US immigration law, particularly as it relates to asylum seekers (those already on US soil) and refugees applying for status from camps/wherever abroad would know that it's like a million times easier to get into the US pretty much any other way than as a refugee. What terrorist would waste years sitting in squalor with starving women and children on the off chance that he gets papers down the line? Have we abandoned all common sense?

It's a racist bone he's throwing to his supporters. Disgusting too, for them all I will say the same thing I used to say to people opposing gay marriage - I hope that your live long enough to see your children ashamed of what you've done.
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I'm getting genuinely concerned -- I have a fairly major trip coming up late this week that will involve travel to two Muslim countries. Not to any of the "banned" countries, but I'm genuinely concerned that my passport may make my life much more difficult.

Granted, there are much more important things to worry about. But still.

What an asshole.
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I'm definitely keeping a low profile even in England (20% Muslim here in Leicester). I feel like a target because of that Orange creep.
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