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Old 01-26-2017, 12:48 PM   #201
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I think a lot of voters felt the Democratic Party cares more about gender roles than terrorism. I would need to go back and find the stats, but the number 1 issues, if not 1 than 2 was terrorism.


I think there is some truth in this as well.

Not true as in actually true, but true as in optics.
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My perspective may be a bit biased because I'm a centrist Democrat who would legitimately stand a chance of being turned in an election that was something like Huntsman or Romney or maybe Kasich vs. Sanders or Warren.

But... I honestly have a hard time buying that the DNC has really been following the GOP to the right. The DNC platform last year was markedly to the left of any previous DNC platform - more left than I really liked, though I was obviously still thrilled to support Hillary over the buffoon. Stuff that is mainstream DNC fodder now was not even remotely close to that 10 years ago, or certainly in the 90s. A Democratic president signed DOMA. Same-sex marriage wasn't even fully a mainstream Democratic position before 2012 or so. There were significant numbers of anti-abortion Democrats until recently. $15/hour national minimum wage (or its inflation-adjusted equivalent) would have been laughed at 10 years ago. Trade deals were still mostly universally supported in the DNC 10 years ago. Et cetera.
You're talking only about social issues, which don't win elections.

The Democratic Party has been dragged to the right on income inequality, Wall Street regulations, labor issues, wage issues, etc. for a very long time now. And $15/hour national minimum wage WAS laughed at, and was one of the flimsy reasons Sanders was considered persona non grata by the entrenched members of the DNC.
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there is plenty of blame to go around for why this happened. the arguing back and forth over which holds more water is not productive right now. ALL of the reasons being discussed in here had something to do with it. did the far left/sanders supporters stay home? did third party votes have a negative effect? was there a hidden trump vote that nobody saw? could hillary have done more in the rust belt? did the democratic party lose the optics war? did the comey letter have a debilitating effect on clinton's campaign? racism? sexism? voter suppression? gerrymandering? the left ignoring the rural working class for years?

the answer to all of those things is yes - and those of us in the opposition, no matter far left or centrist, are going to have to figure these things out.

but in the meantime... this guy thus far is doing absolutely everything he said he would do, and is giving everybody absolutely no reason to believe that he won't do every crazy thing he said he'd do.

including, well, this...

https://thinkprogress.org/9-terrifyi...32a#.w12cxdt0u

there is a mentally unhinged reality tv star in charge of 1200 nukes. this should scare the shit out of everybody, including those who voted for him.

everything he has said, he has set forth a plan to follow through on. everything. and he's continued to show a temperament that is utterly frightening.
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LOL, what?!?!?!.....

Donald Trump says he will handle trade deal with @theresa_may himself because he doesn't have a commerce secretary

https://t.co/4TXyviCNmM https://t.co/8H6PfMjuqT


Insanity.
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Trump’s Chief Strategist Says News Media Should ‘Keep Its Mouth Shut’

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“I want you to quote this,” Mr. Bannon added. “The media here is the opposition party. They don’t understand this country. They still do not understand why Donald Trump is the president of the United States.”
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So essentially the US consumer will pay for the wall through higher costs. Batshit crazy.
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So essentially the US consumer will pay for the wall through higher costs. Batshit crazy.
there goes my avocado and corona party.
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So essentially the US consumer will pay for the wall through higher costs. Batshit crazy.
The Executive Branch can't just do shit like this unilaterally, can it? A 20% tax on Mexican imports is quite likely instant-recession material. There's no way in hell the Congressional GOP will go along with it... right? Please? Please, Republicans, when you desperately need to be free-marketeers... be free-marketeers.
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The Executive Branch can't just do shit like this unilaterally, can it? A 20% tax on Mexican imports is quite likely instant-recession material. There's no way in hell the Congressional GOP will go along with it... right? Please? Please, Republicans, when you desperately need to be free-marketeers... be free-marketeers.
It would be a comedy shambles if it wasn't real. I can't quite believe what is happening. The country is literally run by lunatics.
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The country is literally run by lunatics.
I present to you Exhibit# 857848302028394

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So essentially the US consumer will pay for the wall through higher costs. Batshit crazy.
Fucking insane. Want to see the country collapse once more?
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Is this a kneejerk policy because he was shunned by the Mexican President? Surely not but looks like it.
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Fucking insane. Want to see the country collapse once more?
I just want to hide from politics for four years - to spend it enjoying everything beautiful about the world while ignoring the catastrophe in Washington.

Too bad I work in a fairly cyclical industry, and, even if my job is fine, I have to remember that there are plenty of people far less fortunate than I am.
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there is plenty of blame to go around for why this happened. the arguing back and forth over which holds more water is not productive right now. ALL of the reasons being discussed in here had something to do with it. did the far left/sanders supporters stay home? did third party votes have a negative effect? was there a hidden trump vote that nobody saw? could hillary have done more in the rust belt? did the democratic party lose the optics war? did the comey letter have a debilitating effect on clinton's campaign? racism? sexism? voter suppression? gerrymandering? the left ignoring the rural working class for years?

the answer to all of those things is yes - and those of us in the opposition, no matter far left or centrist, are going to have to figure these things out.
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Strongly disagree. We need a legitimate gameplan on how to start winning seats back, how to win the Senate back, everything. And analyzing how the Democratic Party has fucked up is crucial to starting to turn the tide back around.

Otherwise we'll have Cory Booker in 2020 and Pence will cruise to an easy win.
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To be clear, though: anyone who voted for Donald Trump should go fuck themselves.
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Strongly disagree. We need a legitimate gameplan on how to start winning seats back, how to win the Senate back, everything. And analyzing how the Democratic Party has fucked up is crucial to starting to turn the tide back around.

Otherwise we'll have Cory Booker in 2020 and Pence will cruise to an easy win.
Analyzing how things went wrong is different than bickering back and forth about how things went wrong.

I agree that there needs to be a discussion of where it went wrong. I actually said that. It needs to be addressed and both sides of the table need to swallow some pride and admit certain things need to be done differently than how they want.

Fighting over it and insisting that one side or the other is the only way to go is kinda how we got into this in the first place.

In the meantime there's a drunk driver behind the wheel.
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One day (if we're all still alive) someone will write a book on how the US as a country unravelled in the space of a few weeks because of a mentally ill President.
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