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Old 01-21-2017, 06:54 PM   #821
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wtf is "cultural lawlessness"?


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Old 01-21-2017, 06:56 PM   #822
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This administration is going to implode way faster than any of us thought.

Just watch those approval ratings sink, the GOP Congrescritters will turn on him faster than he can grab a pussy. In the end, the only hide that matters in Washington is your own. He has been a CEO whose ass has been kissed for his entire life. He just doesn't get how the real world works.
I really hope this is true. My fear is that he's got such a pyschotic relationship with truth and reason that he'll cross seemingly unthinkable barriers to protect his view of himself. And that could get ugly.

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Old 01-21-2017, 07:01 PM   #823
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I really hope this is true. My fear is that he's got such a pyschotic relationship with truth and reason that he'll cross seemingly unthinkable barriers to protect his view of himself. And that could get ugly.

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Well of course this part is going to happen. The question is will he be able to get anyone to go along with him on his ride through fantasy land. So far the answer is yes.
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Ok, it's Trumpism. But like fascism it appears the most suitable time to destroy it is before it's had the chance to burrrow its roots too deep.
So DaveC, as someone who knows a shitload more about this stuff than me (and that's sincerity) wtf do you do? Surely you can't sit back and watch it until it's to entwined with the military, the police, the intelligence agencies and the media to be able to fight it?
Because that's what Trump seems tocbe going for. He's systematically both attacking and praising those things in what appears an attempt to change and control them.
How do you fight it? Marching won't worry him. Those people marching are all idiots as far as he's concerned.

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i agree that the best time to stop this sort of thing is as early as possible. but i'm not sure what a real solution could be at this point other than cutting the head off the snake one way or another. interpret that however you choose. in a parallel with fascism, if you didn't have hitler in germany, the nazi party might have gained some moderate popularity but it would have been severely unlikely for them to actually gain power without the charismatic and powerful figure to unify the people around. this was the case even more so in italy. (side note: if you want to compare trump to a fascist leader, compare him to the incompetent, bumbling, power-posing doofus mussolini rather than hitler) most likely there would have been an attempt at a communist revolution later in the 30's (if the geopolitical situation remained generally the same), whether or not it would have been successful is up to speculation.

this is why i mentioned yesterday that i was worried about a brutal civil war coming pretty rapidly. i can, without much effort, picture the scenario you mentioned about this becoming so entwined with the military apparatus that they start shooting live rounds at these protests. with the populace as well-armed and polarized as they currently are, it wouldn't take much for the protesters to start bringing some weapons so they could shoot back.
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this is why i mentioned yesterday that i was worried about a brutal civil war coming pretty rapidly. i can, without much effort, picture the scenario you mentioned about this becoming so entwined with the military apparatus that they start shooting live rounds at these protests. with the populace as well-armed and polarized as they currently are, it wouldn't take much for the protesters to start bringing some weapons so they could shoot back.
Do you think Trump commands the respect of the military enough that they would open fire on protestors, or anyone else for that matter, at his command? I'm not a 20th century expert, but that type of military suppression seems only to happen when the leader came from a military background and so appeared credible in the eyes of the enforcers.
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stop calling it fascism because it isn't.

it's trumpism. this is a new beast and we need to treat it like we have no idea what's it's going to do (because we don't) rather than try to recall images of jackboots and swastikas, because that kind of a future is obviously out of the question in america. the country is just way too big and diverse, demographically and geographically, for that. it's so easy for trumpists to laugh that off and cite godwin's law when they get called fascists that it isn't effective in the least. "fascism" is now a uselessly cartoonish label that's easily dismissed and doesn't really apply anyways, despite the similarities. this is trumpism, and it's a wholly new threat to the global order, which is what makes it so scary.
No, I won't stop. Because it is.
Keep in mind that fascism wasn't just a German phenomenon in the 1920s and 1930s. I'm not saying the USA is looking like Nazi-Germany, though the past months I've seen more images of swastikas in the USA than I cared to see. What you want to call Trumpism looks more like a descendant of the fascism under Mussolini in Italy. You might not (want to) know what it's going to do, but if you want to have a possible example what to expect, 1930s Italy might provide some insight.
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I just can't imagine this administration lasting more than a few months at the rate it's going. This press conference today is absurd. The majority of people in this country weren't buying it before, how many more people can continue to let themselves be blatantly lied to?
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LA was anticipating 100k it drew 750K. Probably because The Edge was there.

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To be fair ,Bannon and Miller wrote the speech.

Just leaked - Trump's original speech draft:

When I was a young boy
My father took me into the city
To see a marching band
He said, "Son, when you grow up
Would you be the savior of the broken the beaten and the damned?"

He said, "Will you defeat them
Your demons, and all the non-believers the plans that they have made?"

"Because one day I'll leave you
A phantom to lead you in the summer to join the black parade."



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Do you think Trump commands the respect of the military enough that they would open fire on protestors, or anyone else for that matter, at his command? I'm not a 20th century expert, but that type of military suppression seems only to happen when the leader came from a military background and so appeared credible in the eyes of the enforcers.
definitely i think the majority of the military are good human beings and would disobey that order, in which case either a coup happens or mass desertion.

having seen first hand how insanely bloodthirsty and reactionary a disturbingly large proportion of the canadian military is, and suspecting that the american military is probably similar but in a larger proportion, i can't see how he wouldn't at least have an extremely loyal faction of the military that would be excited to shoot protesters regardless of their cause. and the minute they start shooting back they don't even need to justify it to themselves anymore. then it gets easy.

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No, I won't stop. Because it is.
Keep in mind that fascism wasn't just a German phenomenon in the 1920s and 1930s. I'm not saying the USA is looking like Nazi-Germany, though the past months I've seen more images of swastikas in the USA than I cared to see. What you want to call Trumpism looks more like a descendant of the fascism under Mussolini in Italy. You might not (want to) know what it's going to do, but if you want to have a possible example what to expect, 1930s Italy might provide some insight.
i've been over this a few times in the past as to how it is definitely not "fascism" by any definition of the term. i don't really want to get super into it yet again right now. yes of course there are parallels, and there are definitely more than a few elements borrowed from fascism, but not only is it not fascism, it by definition cannot be fascism, no matter how badly you want to call it that.

if trump and his administration was as equally left-wing as they are right-wing, they certainly wouldn't be communists and we'd be in here laughing at the lunatics calling it that. communism, although it is a wide umbrella, still requires certain conditions to be met for state and government to actually be "communist". fascism is the same.
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Just leaked - Trump's original speech draft:

When I was a young boy
My father took me into the city
To see a marching band
He said, "Son, when you grow up
Would you be the savior of the broken the beaten and the damned?"

He said, "Will you defeat them
Your demons, and all the non-believers the plans that they have made?"

"Because one day I'll leave you
A phantom to lead you in the summer to join the black parade."



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Followed by:

"We take America from the corrupt! The rich! The oppressors of generations who have kept you down with myths of opportunity, and we give it back to you... the people. America is yours. None shall interfere. Do as you please. Start by storming Guantanamo, and take the law into your own hands! Step forward those who would serve. For an army will be raised. The powerful will be ripped from their decadent nests, and cast out into the cold world that we know and endure. Courts will be convened. Spoils will be enjoyed. Blood will be shed. The police will survive, as they learn to serve true justice. This great country... it will endure. America will survive! MAGA!"
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Lol

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-hou...221241308.html

Oh and trump is also accusing the media of lying about the numbers at his inauguration! Most funny thing is today's awesome marched far out numbered his inauguration! You just can't make this stuff up!
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You just can't make this stuff up!
Actually you can, as Trump is showing.
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Lol

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-hou...221241308.html

Oh and trump is also accusing the media of lying about the numbers at his inauguration! Most funny thing is today's awesome marched far out numbered his inauguration! You just can't make this stuff up!



EDIT: Oh those fact checks at the end of that article are beautiful.
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LA was anticipating 100k it drew 750K. Probably because The Edge was there.

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OMG did u get on the rail???

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i can't help wondering how deliberately depriving people of health cover is in keeping with their "Christian" principles
Don't you know mamacass, the new
Bible is the one that Christian Conservatives in DC cut out all of Jesus's references to "the poor"...
so denying them health is now the " Biblical" thing to do!
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OMG did u get on the rail???
there was a shitton of people already at the inauguration before sunrise for that exact reason apparently
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there was a shitton of people already at the inauguration before sunrise for that exact reason apparently
Clearly they could've saved themselves the trouble...
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right? last time i just walked into the venue at 8:05 and went nearly to the rail by the shaft easily.
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No. Never made it to the stage. The crowd was immense.

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