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Old 01-18-2017, 10:11 PM   #521
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It's easy to be doom and gloom right now.

But here are the facts:

"It is estimated that 138.9 million Americans cast a ballot in 2016. 65.8 million of those ballots have been counted for Clinton and just under 63 million for Trump"

According to these numbers from Wikipedia, 76 million voted against Trump. So a White House win by the Dems should be easy if they find a young candidate to invest in.

The hard part will be two-sided: information and the success of the next two years.

Information: how do we get people to actually respect the facts?

Success: how will Trump and his cronies execute?

Both of these questions will determine the fate of the near future. The most immediate will be healthcare, if they destroy ACA without a plan how will all those Trump voters who depend on it react? Some of them are the ones that use it the most, will they actually hold Trump's feet to the fire or bury their heads in the sand?

I think the biggest obstacle is information. I don't know how one goes about making everyone respect facts when they've already made up their minds. We recently had a poster make a bold declaration trying to frame a certain narrative, and within 30 seconds it was declared false. This poster has showed back up since then but hasn't addressed that issue. So given history, they probably have ignored the facts and stuck with the narrative Breitbart was selling. If you have a sizeable population that feels that the earth is flat how do you teach them that the facts say otherwise?
The geographical shifts every 4 years are accelerating it seems. Younger liberals are heading towards metro-suburban centers. Some of this nesting in enclaves is helpful to the expanding the Electoral Map . . . Raleigh, Atlanta, Denver. But if you are headed to Seattle and Portland it won't help, until the census kicks in giving those states more EVs and drawing down from slower growing states like Ohio and Iowa.

The youthful surge to the BosWash, sunbelt, west coast, and front range has now left the middle of the country from Philly to Denver (with the exception of Chicago) a GOP electoral playground. It may take until the 2030 Census to fully reset.

Of course much of this is contingent on the Trump Presidency in action.
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I'm impressed by your recall of my post lexicon.

Speaking of recall. The number of business regulations Trump will throw into the wood chipper on day one will result in our best job numbers through the first 2Q of 2017 than at anytime in the past 9 years.


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Oh, yah...

and how many with what kind of work place safety standards?
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Old 01-18-2017, 10:22 PM   #523
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Betsy DeVos is an absolute shit show.

But I guess if you want to create more Trump voters you start with destroying education. Very sad!


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Oh, they starting doing that quite a ways back when they took away Civics class.

And W's friend Texas Schoolbook Publisher with rewritten American History Textbooks among other things.
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Oh, yah...

and how many with what kind of work place safety standards?
Not OSHA regulations. Burdensome paperwork and reporting to the Feds. Makes it a pain in the ass to get a small business off the ground and make it worth attempting. Entrepreneurship has been smothered like a wet blanket.
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The geographical shifts every 4 years are accelerating it seems. Younger liberals are heading towards metro-suburban centers. Some of this nesting in enclaves is helpful to the expanding the Electoral Map . . . Raleigh, Atlanta, Denver. But if you are headed to Seattle and Portland it won't help, until the census kicks in giving those states more EVs and drawing down from slower growing states like Ohio and Iowa.

The youthful surge to the BosWash, sunbelt, west coast, and front range has now left the middle of the country from Philly to Denver (with the exception of Chicago) a GOP electoral playground. It may take until the 2030 Census to fully reset.

Of course much of this is contingent on the Trump Presidency in action.
Let's not forget, if we're speaking electoral map, a lot of Trump's demographic is dying.

You have absolutely no headwinds when it comes to the White House unless somehow Trump pulls off a miracle, but a con and a miracle are two entirely different things. One requires some skill/ and or luck, the other just an uninformed group of people.
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Let's not forget, if we're speaking electoral map, a lot of Trump's demographic is dying.

You have absolutely no headwinds when it comes to the White House unless somehow Trump pulls off a miracle, but a con and a miracle are two entirely different things. One requires some skill/ and or luck, the other just an uninformed group of people.
Underestimate Trump at your own risk. I know you knock the 'Drain the Swamp' narrative on the cabinet. The swamp is the "inside-the-beltway" people that know how to play the game. His cabinet is mostly outsider. A split between business, government, and military. Chao is the only one who has that swampy insider slither to her as she served in Bush's cabinet.
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VP shoulda told your daughter to wear a fringed jacket! Preferably with a either an 'Merican flag or a Texas Lonestar flag.

Joking!

Def have to report back to us next week!

As for DeVoss... Gah!
One person commentated that her ideal would be for schools either to be Chartered , or Religious.

Would she allow Moderate Islamic schools, Jewish & Catholic schools, too?
She's a right-wing Christian (shudders).

Oh, and since she took over as Michigan's Education person Michigan's State standing in educational matters has gone from the middle to lower levels.

Great going, DeVoss!
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Not OSHA regulations. Burdensome paperwork and reporting to the Feds. Makes it a pain in the ass to get a small business off the ground and make it worth attempting. Entrepreneurship has been smothered like a wet blanket.
I'd have to look into that to see if what you are saying is so.
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Not OSHA regulations. Burdensome paperwork and reporting to the Feds. Makes it a pain in the ass to get a small business off the ground and make it worth attempting. Entrepreneurship has been smothered like a wet blanket.

So are you wanting to remove OSHA? If so, do you know OSHA, because I work with this on a daily basis.


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Underestimate Trump at your own risk. I know you knock the 'Drain the Swamp' narrative on the cabinet. The swamp is the "inside-the-beltway" people that know how to play the game. His cabinet is mostly outsider. A split between business, government, and military. Chao is the only one who has that swampy insider slither to her as she served in Bush's cabinet.

You're just replacing one swamp with another. If you don't see the personal agendas he has in his cabinet then you're being purposely obtuse.


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Not OSHA regulations. Burdensome paperwork and reporting to the Feds. Makes it a pain in the ass to get a small business off the ground and make it worth attempting. Entrepreneurship has been smothered like a wet blanket.


The biggest detriment to entrepreneurship is having to worry about the cost of health care.

Nothing would spur entrepreneurship more than a single payer system.
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So are you wanting to remove OSHA? If so, do you know OSHA, because I work with this on a daily basis.


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No, not what I meant. It was in response to dazzledbylight.

Speaking of OSHA if the boss doesn't repair this door at work, I'm going to threaten to call them.
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Great now here in Canada a billionaire bussiness man called Kevin o'leary who also had his own reality show just decided to run as leader of the Conservative party! In an interview he did, if you read the words he said you would think it was trump talking! A carbon copy of trump! And he is an arrogant egotistical guy! I hope to God that us Canadians learn from the mistakes our neighbours down south made and not elect this guy! Although I have a feeling he will probably win the leadership and eventually become prime minister! Our very own Canadian trump! Lol we are all screwed!
Noooooo! I don't wanna dislike Kevin
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Underestimate Trump at your own risk. I know you knock the 'Drain the Swamp' narrative on the cabinet. The swamp is the "inside-the-beltway" people that know how to play the game. His cabinet is mostly outsider. A split between business, government, and military. Chao is the only one who has that swampy insider slither to her as she served in Bush's cabinet.

Outsiders, like a handful of Goldman Sachs execs that were evil bankers screwing over the working class when Clinton talked to them, but are a-okay if they're actually in the administration forming policy.
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Outsiders, like a handful of Goldman Sachs execs that were evil bankers screwing over the working class when Clinton talked to them, but are a-okay if they're actually in the administration forming policy.

You want your quarterback to have actually played on the field to understand the game.

Mnuchin is succeeding Jack Lew who was COO of Citigroup from 2006 to 2008.

Since you brought it up, Goldman Sachs practically drafted Obama's inner circle like a fantasy football team.

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Oh look, the opportunity to ignore Trump in favor of pointing out something Obama did. It's a formula Dennis, but it bloody well works.
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Meanwhile a list of all of the media agencies Trump has shit on:
https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/com..._news/dcl7rb1/
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I just beg everyone that enjoys the written word to not copy Trump by talking or writing like him. The title of this thread. Tweets mocking him. Everyone that ends sentences with "sad" or "loser" to mock him just makes us more like him.

See it's funny when we all do Borat for the 6 months that the movie came out in window... then there's that one unfunny guy at work that does the Borat impression like a year later and you know it's over. That's how I feel about mocking Trump in any way.

I was bored with Trump impressions on SNL and other places 5 years ago... it's the easiest impression to do that's how dumb he is. If we all can do it, then now of us should.

I'm for calling him out, making fun of him, standing up... but I'm just saying please don't accidentally become him by ending things like he does. Or talking like him. He makes fun of SNL, but he thrives over the attention.

He only has 100 words. We have more. Let's use them. Good! Happy! Fuck! Yes!

Sad!


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My Canadian liberal daughter is on her way to San Antonio for an academic conference in her liberal field this weekend. I told her that hopefully urban San Antonio is a liberal enclave, and to not wander out of the area, but if she does, to buy a gun and repeat "make America great!" so that she will blend in. I was only partly joking.

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