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Old 12-05-2016, 05:38 PM   #81
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What's funny is we have people on the left and on the right who've been telling us this for 25 years. Really, the language coming from the BMP crowd isn't much different than the alt-right folks.
You keep on trying to push this, but BMP is hardly representative of the majority on the actual left - note his views on police etc.
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Some posters just love to keep playing the Duke card.

That's how we got to this point in the thread.

It's tiresome.

New topic:

I believe in future Presidential rankings George W Bush and Obama will both find themselves in the bottom 8 of Presidents.

In 2000 the national debt was 5.6 trillion. It is now approaching 20 trillion.

- Bush's neocon overreach lead to the unnecessary Iraq war. Plenty lost in blood and treasure.

- The housing collapse occurred under Bush's watch. Blame can be placed on both sides of the aisle, Wall Street, and the fiscal culture of the populace, but the buck stops with him.

Bush was bad.

- Where Bush had Cowboy diplomacy, Obama took a nuanced soft approach on the opposite end of the spectrum. Strongmen around the world took advantage of an America that was more hesitant. Isis grew in the void of a hasty telegraphed withdrawal from Iraq. (Bush and Obama together royally fucked up Mesopotamia)

- While the economy has recovered since the collapse. We've had 8 years of a Cateresque Malaise where GDP growth has never exceeded 3% in a quarter. Take home pay has been diminished for the majority of Americans by the ACA, which Obama promised would save families on average $2500 a year.

- Obama wanted to become the liberal Reagan and set the country on the path for a generational realignment. Instead he misread the mood of the country and overreached in his signature legislation without bipartisan support in his first 2 years. While personally popular, the Democrat party has been decimated from the state level to DC. Obama relied so heavily on executive orders that most of whatever 'legacy' remains will be undone.

The past 16 years have been marked by stale wage growth and a Beltway culture that became steroid-cronyism and increasingly out of touch with the people.






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It's not just Duke, it's all sides of the white supremacy coin. Never have we had such an endorsed candidate by this ilk, even when they ran against a black man.

It's tiresome to you because you're not equipped or interested in ever having any kind of real conversation about racism, especially when it has to do with being associated with this campaign and cabinet. But some of us know the real dangers involved and can't bury our heads in the sand. We know you won't answer the questions because you never have.

As far as Obama, you're truly living in an information bubble if you ever think he'll be ranked that low in any poll outside of Breitbart world. Seriously, it's scary how isolated you are, I think you've become even more isolated over your time here rather than the other way around.


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It's not just Duke, it's all sides of the white supremacy coin. Never have we had such an endorsed candidate by this ilk, even when they ran against a black man.

It's tiresome to you because you're not equipped or interested in ever having any kind of real conversation about racism, especially when it has to do with being associated with this campaign and cabinet. But some of us know the real dangers involved and can't bury our heads in the sand. We know you won't answer the questions because you never have.

As far as Obama, you're truly living in an information bubble if you ever think he'll be ranked that low in any poll outside of Breitbart world. Seriously, it's scary how isolated you are, I think you've become even more isolated over your time here rather than the other way around.


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You have your head in the sand if you think this is all about racism. I respect you as a free thinking individual. You must acknowledge that is the Democrat party that has enjoy playing the "Identity" game by isolating groups and using fear tactics to keep them voting blue. The Media and the Left concoct new terms like "marginalized" and in September started using the label "Alt-Right" as an all encompassing hate ideology. Alt-Right in European circles may be indicative of Nativist parties in Austria and Germany. That's where I first heard the term several years ago.

Was Brexit Alt-Right? Was Farage racist?

The Alt-Right pushback stateside, before it was labeled as such was the Trump supporters versus the GOP establishment machine. Breitbart, Hannity, Rush were all on the Trump Train in the spirit of taking down the system.

Hillary gave that Alt-Right speech in September and suddenly the whole movement became The Fourth Reich in the eyes of the left.

The labeling and desire of the left to compartmentalize groups of people has backfired. The Democratic party is an endangered species outside of metropolitan areas. Is this because everybody else became Alt-Right racists all of a sudden? No.

The Left/Media has doubled down and continue to blame these 'racist' voters as the reason Hillary lost. This labeling only makes people more pissed off and drives them away from the Democratic Party and they are willing to give Trump a chance.

The Democratic party had a chance to course-correct and replace Pelosi with Tim Ryan [a young blue collar Democrat from Youngstown, OH]. They stuck with Pelosi. Sure she can fundraise the shit out of Napa Valley Liberals, but it won't win you back seats.

Do you want to talk strategy/current events or just keep harping on racism?

You keep saying the fact that I can't see things is downright scary. Maybe my eyes are wide open and have a better understanding of the current dynamics at play in the country than you.
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You keep on trying to push this, but BMP is hardly representative of the majority on the actual left - note his views on police etc.


Thanks for Vlad-splaining what is and isn't Left for us. It's always appreciated.
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You have your head in the sand if you think this is all about racism. I respect you as a free thinking individual. You must acknowledge that is the Democrat party that has enjoy playing the "Identity" game by isolating groups and using fear tactics to keep them voting blue. The Media and the Left concoct new terms like "marginalized" and in September started using the label "Alt-Right" as an all encompassing hate ideology. Alt-Right in European circles may be indicative of Nativist parties in Austria and Germany. That's where I first heard the term several years ago.



Was Brexit Alt-Right? Was Farage racist?



The Alt-Right pushback stateside, before it was labeled as such was the Trump supporters versus the GOP establishment machine. Breitbart, Hannity, Rush were all on the Trump Train in the spirit of taking down the system.



Hillary gave that Alt-Right speech in September and suddenly the whole movement became The Fourth Reich in the eyes of the left.



The labeling and desire of the left to compartmentalize groups of people has backfired. The Democratic party is an endangered species outside of metropolitan areas. Is this because everybody else became Alt-Right racists all of a sudden? No.



The Left/Media has doubled down and continue to blame these 'racist' voters as the reason Hillary lost. This labeling only makes people more pissed off and drives them away from the Democratic Party and they are willing to give Trump a chance.



The Democratic party had a chance to course-correct and replace Pelosi with Tim Ryan [a young blue collar Democrat from Youngstown, OH]. They stuck with Pelosi. Sure she can fundraise the shit out of Napa Valley Liberals, but it won't win you back seats.



Do you want to talk strategy/current events or just keep harping on racism?



You keep saying the fact that I can't see things is downright scary. Maybe my eyes are wide open and have a better understanding of the current dynamics at play in the country than you.



You're acting as if you didn't just lose the election by 2.5m votes.
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Thanks for Vlad-splaining what is and isn't Left for us. It's always appreciated.
I'm thinking at some point you might actually understand where I'm coming from? I have my valid reasons for not being a fan of BMP's posting on this board.
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Ugghhh, more splainin !

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You have your head in the sand if you think this is all about racism. I respect you as a free thinking individual. You must acknowledge that is the Democrat party that has enjoy playing the "Identity" game by isolating groups and using fear tactics to keep them voting blue. The Media and the Left concoct new terms like "marginalized" and in September started using the label "Alt-Right" as an all encompassing hate ideology. Alt-Right in European circles may be indicative of Nativist parties in Austria and Germany. That's where I first heard the term several years ago.



Was Brexit Alt-Right? Was Farage racist?



The Alt-Right pushback stateside, before it was labeled as such was the Trump supporters versus the GOP establishment machine. Breitbart, Hannity, Rush were all on the Trump Train in the spirit of taking down the system.



Hillary gave that Alt-Right speech in September and suddenly the whole movement became The Fourth Reich in the eyes of the left.



The labeling and desire of the left to compartmentalize groups of people has backfired. The Democratic party is an endangered species outside of metropolitan areas. Is this because everybody else became Alt-Right racists all of a sudden? No.



The Left/Media has doubled down and continue to blame these 'racist' voters as the reason Hillary lost. This labeling only makes people more pissed off and drives them away from the Democratic Party and they are willing to give Trump a chance.



The Democratic party had a chance to course-correct and replace Pelosi with Tim Ryan [a young blue collar Democrat from Youngstown, OH]. They stuck with Pelosi. Sure she can fundraise the shit out of Napa Valley Liberals, but it won't win you back seats.



Do you want to talk strategy/current events or just keep harping on racism?



You keep saying the fact that I can't see things is downright scary. Maybe my eyes are wide open and have a better understanding of the current dynamics at play in the country than you.

I never said it was all about racism, this all or nothing tactic is getting stale. Nor did I say all his voters were racists. And yes I think these labels get thrown about too much.

BUT racism was used in his platform, Bannon IS a racist, and if it weren't for these voters he would not have won.

Why did the Klan make Trump their first first major party endorsement in decades? Why do the white nationalists find him to be an ally? And why did Trump never denounce any of it?

Don't worry about labels right now. Why did he court these people? Why did he need them?

And why was it not an issue for all of his non-racist supporters? Were you just willing to ignore it because some of the other issues were important to you?


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So much mushy good stuff in here to quote right now.

So much vitriol guys.
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Hi thank you, did I ask you to explain deep's point?

I don't know what you're on about with a "relevant tie."

Dear anyone who thinks Mr. Mateen is a relevant human being: I don't give a shit about some sweaty old Arab man who might have some cultural and religious undertones against gay people. Welcome to fucking America. More than half of your Trump brethren are just like this man. Yeah, so his SON is an evil, despicable human being who shot and killed 50 innocent human beings of my local community. Every single time you mention the senior Mateen as some criminal, fuck you. You're all Mr. Mateen, . That man hasn't done anything half of you don't currently do. So fuck off.

David Duke comparisons, you've got to be fucking kidding me.
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So much mushy good stuff in here to quote right now.

So much vitriol guys.
coincidence ?
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I'm thinking at some point you might actually understand where I'm coming from? I have my valid reasons for not being a fan of BMP's posting on this board.


I know what you are saying, but I don't think you're the last word on these things.
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coincidence ?

Would you like it if I instead decided to politicize your affiliation with the US armed forces, even if they weren't political? And what if you had some buddies that were shot and killed by bad guys, and I used them as a false means of a political device?

Donald Trump is why your friends are dead, buddy.

How does an irrational statement like that make you feel? Because that's what that statement makes me feel like.

P.S., my comment was sarcastic. Vitriol. Interference buzzword.
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You're acting as if you didn't just lose the election by 2.5m votes.
I plead the 12th Amendment.
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So now Trump is conducting foreign policy on Twitter, and badly.

Fuck, we are all going to die.


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I never said it was all about racism, this all or nothing tactic is getting stale. Nor did I say all his voters were racists. And yes I think these labels get thrown about too much.

BUT racism was used in his platform, Bannon IS a racist, and if it weren't for these voters he would not have won.

Why did the Klan make Trump their first first major party endorsement in decades? Why do the white nationalists find him to be an ally? And why did Trump never denounce any of it?

Don't worry about labels right now. Why did he court these people? Why did he need them?

And why was it not an issue for all of his non-racist supporters? Were you just willing to ignore it because some of the other issues were important to you?


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Wow you're a sputtering mess. May be time to step away from the keyboard for a while.

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You have your head in the sand if you think this is all about racism. I respect you as a free thinking individual. You must acknowledge that is the Democrat party that has enjoy playing the "Identity" game by isolating groups and using fear tactics to keep them voting blue. The Media and the Left concoct new terms like "marginalized" and in September started using the label "Alt-Right" as an all encompassing hate ideology. Alt-Right in European circles may be indicative of Nativist parties in Austria and Germany. That's where I first heard the term several years ago.



Was Brexit Alt-Right? Was Farage racist?



The Alt-Right pushback stateside, before it was labeled as such was the Trump supporters versus the GOP establishment machine. Breitbart, Hannity, Rush were all on the Trump Train in the spirit of taking down the system.



Hillary gave that Alt-Right speech in September and suddenly the whole movement became The Fourth Reich in the eyes of the left.



The labeling and desire of the left to compartmentalize groups of people has backfired. The Democratic party is an endangered species outside of metropolitan areas. Is this because everybody else became Alt-Right racists all of a sudden? No.



The Left/Media has doubled down and continue to blame these 'racist' voters as the reason Hillary lost. This labeling only makes people more pissed off and drives them away from the Democratic Party and they are willing to give Trump a chance.



The Democratic party had a chance to course-correct and replace Pelosi with Tim Ryan [a young blue collar Democrat from Youngstown, OH]. They stuck with Pelosi. Sure she can fundraise the shit out of Napa Valley Liberals, but it won't win you back seats.



Do you want to talk strategy/current events or just keep harping on racism?



You keep saying the fact that I can't see things is downright scary. Maybe my eyes are wide open and have a better understanding of the current dynamics at play in the country than you.

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deep's point is that the Orlando shooter's father has way more of a tangible tie to the HRC campaign than David Duke does to the Trump campaign
Except the notable difference is that asshole isn't representative of a group that's been emboldened by the president-elect, he's just a lone asshole, somebody that the left would roundly decry.

Trump, meanwhile, has a guy from Breitbart who's been known to stir up the xenophobic, racist, sexist elements of the right as part of his administration now. Members of the KKK held parades after Trump won the election. Before the election, there were militia members talking about holding armed rallies in D.C. if Hillary had won.

We're not talking about one random idiot here when it comes to Trump. There is a seriously scary element of the population getting a larger voice now because of Trump's behavior and attitudes towards women, black people, Hispanics, Muslims, etc. throughout the campaign, and since becoming president-elect. People have valid reason to be deeply troubled by and concerned about it. And I really do not get how you and other Trump supporters can keep dismissing that as no big deal.

And putting aside the above concerns, how are you not bothered by the fact that it's been made abundantly clear from everyone who's met with Trump thus far to plan his transition to the White House that he literally does not seem to have any understanding of the job he's about to take on? They keep talking about how he's "surprised" at just how hard this job is, we keep hearing stories about him doing all these questionable things (like taking a call with Taiwan), or showing total ignorance of certain policies. He's spending more time getting into stupid arguments (and with people who weren't even targeting him at that-see the 'Hamilton' situation) than he is actually taking his job seriously.

What on earth makes you think he's honestly capable of doing this job based off what we've seen since his win last month? How can you look at his behavior since he's won and NOT realize the huge mistake you've just made?
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Y The Democratic party is an endangered species outside of metropolitan areas.
Good luck winning elections in 20, 40, 50 years with your white rural vote.
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Pfft, endangered outside of metropolitan areas??? The same dems who consistently have more voters? The same metropolitan areas that grow faster than rural areas?


The same reason why states like Texas and Georgia are losing their stronghold red status.
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Good luck winning elections in 20, 40, 50 years with your white rural vote.


The demographics are flipping. Don't expect you to realize that because the liberals are so out of touch. Trump wouldn't have won if it weren't for significantly out performing with African americans and hispanics.
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Pfft, endangered outside of metropolitan areas??? The same dems who consistently have more voters? The same metropolitan areas that grow faster than rural areas?


The same reason why states like Texas and Georgia are losing their stronghold red status.


Texas going blue or even purple is a liberal wet dream. Won't happen.
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