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Old 12-31-2016, 11:13 AM   #861
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oh man have you guys seen Trump's Happy New Year tweet?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

omg i am actually thinking the next few years might not be so bad after all if he keeps making me laugh this much - who needs comedy with a president like that?!

And it keeps getting better; the "blue collar billionaire" is going to write his own inauguration speech



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I believe we're all waiting for your response to moonlit's other two questions...

I'm gonna release them like a trilogy of horror. Keep you in suspense so you'll have to wait until you can write 3-5 lines of profanity laced rebuttal.


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And they've won 6 out of the last 7 popular votes for the presidency, often by significant margins.

Your post indicates a problem for Democrats, but only insofar as they've yet to be able to overcome the outrageous institutional bias towards rural America. As well as white backlash to our first black president.
Just two months ago it was the Republicans that were the regional party and dying a slow death.

Oreg's been on the money this election cycle. Most of us have not
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oh man have you guys seen Trump's Happy New Year tweet?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

omg i am actually thinking the next few years might not be so bad after all if he keeps making me laugh this much - who needs comedy with a president like that?!
Literal man-child. So embarassing.
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Old 12-31-2016, 12:18 PM   #865
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Trump has been described as a Blue-Collar Billionaire by his crowd. Started with a loan/gift from his father. Had understanding of the building-construction process which eventually evolved into business/real estate development. Respecting his employees, from the guy laying the bricks, to the doorman, to the head architect on his latest project.
He was born with a silverspoon and started out life with a rather large GIFT. And for every story there is of a contractor saying he shook his hand, there's a story about an architect he didn't pay and put out of business just because he wanted the project to look like it came in on budget.

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There are many anecdotes of him shaking every hand of every employee in a restaurant. If he was in Mar-A-Lago on business and there happened to be Wedding in one of the ballrooms he would make it a point to stop by and meet the bride-groom and shake the parents hands.
And if you weren't in Breitbart world you'd know the many stories of Obama fist bumping the White House custodians, getting on the floor to play with kids, and respecting each and everyone of his staff.
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In Presidential practice, conservatives have complained about his elitist behavior. Aloof attitude. Way back he had his Deplorable moment when he referred to those in Middle America as bitter people who clinged to their guns and religion during a closed door Fundraiser in San Francisco. That was the root of the claims of his Cosmopolitan Elitism all the way back in 2008. Broadbrush statement, that is probably rooted in some truth, but every clinger must be judged on their own attitude.
Well you did all CLING to that comment for 8 years, but grabbing pussies was swept under the rug in 30 seconds.
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There were moments when Obama seemed to really want to stick it to the American people. It was an elitist move to shut down the WWII memorial during the government shutdown. The memorial itself is an open-air charity funded monument in Washington. Maybe it was his 'Art of the Deal' to end the shutdown. But the ones hurt the most were veterans (some of them dying) who arranged to take group flights to DC to see the memorial. For me that was one of his lowest moments of smug elitism.
THIS is rich, THIS is information isolationism at it's best. Wow, just wow...
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Other conservatives argue his narcissistic elitism is on display almost every time he gives a speech or press conference. Refers to himself as "I" in some deliveries more than 200 times. Those are a couple reasons why conservatives view Obama as elitist. The super-haters can cite many more, I'm not super hard on him (just a few moments). Every President will have those tone-deaf elite moments. Bush 41 in the supermarket check out line. Bill parsing the word "is". Trump is bound to have his moments too.
This has to be the absolutely dumbest argument I've ever heard. Hannity and Rush started this whole, let's focus on him saying "I", EVERY president spoke this way. Your candidate just thanked himself for something he didn't do!!! How can one be so blind to this?

It's propaganda that made him elitist, and a big reason the propaganda worked was because of the color of his skin. We have this uppity black couple in the WH, they think they're better than us because they're educated and talk a certain way. And I know you'll try and sweep this under the rug, but this was a huge factor in this perception, it's something we've talked about and pointed out for years in here. It's a big reason why a man with absolutely atrocious grammar won, it makes certain folks feel like he's one of them, even though he couldn't relate to them in any way, shape, or form and won't give a shit about them once he's in office.
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Just two months ago it was the Republicans that were the regional party and dying a slow death.
Except the win is by party name alone. The demagogue they elected had almost nothing to do with their platform, in fact quite opposite in most manners. Even though it was a win, this will effect the party.
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Just two months ago it was the Republicans that were the regional party and dying a slow death.



Oreg's been on the money this election cycle. Most of us have not


And had 20,000 voters in three suspiciously critical swing states voted differently, the discussion would be totally different than the one we're having. While O absolutely predicted the white voter surge in rural America, I don't think there's need for too much of an overreaction to Mrs Clinton's candidacy, Mr Obama's 8 years, or the strength and popularity of the GOP. Mr Trump rode an "outsider" wave (and was the beneficiary of media bias that preferred him as the more interesting, ratings-friendly candidate), and he throttled the GOP field.

We can point to the seeming strength of the GOP in terms of governorships and state house success, but this falls into the rural/urban imbalance. I think the mayors of NYC and LA have far more influence (and constituents) than do the governors and state houses of WY, ID, AZ, the Dakotas, etc. California is the 6th largest economy in the world. Compare its success to the economic disasters of LA or KS, and you may well have the bigger populations of blue states shrugging their shoulders and allowing red states to vote themselves into further economic hardship, lack of medical care, and functional illiteracy. While the GOP may look as if it is popular, economic power and cultural might lies in the blue states.
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It's amazing how the anti political correctness group gets so uppity when it comes to "profane" language.
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oh man have you guys seen Trump's Happy New Year tweet?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

omg i am actually thinking the next few years might not be so bad after all if he keeps making me laugh this much - who needs comedy with a president like that?!
The ultimate sign of maturity is to wish something nice to your enemies. Hey at least he admits he has enemies!
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Vlad, would you be willing to give a brief summary of your Putin opinions and of his foreign policy decisions? It did occur to me, while trying to get my head around Aleppo, that perhaps Putin has got that one right. It's very difficult to know what to think about these things when the information you're distilling is so one-sided.

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He still hasn't responded to my request to give his thoughts on Sarah Kendzior, who believes Trump is looking to set up an oligarchy much like Russia. That sounds over the top, but for someone of Russian background to give their thoughts on what she is saying would be much appreciated, and relieving.
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While O absolutely predicted the white voter surge in rural America, I don't think there's need for too much of an overreaction to Mrs Clinton's candidacy, Mr Obama's 8 years, or the strength and popularity of the GOP.

....While the GOP may look as if it is popular, economic power and cultural might lies in the blue states.
True, America's whole lot of pols is generally unpopular. And we just had two of the least liked presidential candidates in modern times go head-to-head.

But my idea of overreaction would be comments like "outrageous institutional bias towards rural America. As well as white backlash."
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True, America's whole lot of pols is generally unpopular. And we just had two of the least liked presidential candidates in modern times go head-to-head.



But my idea of overreaction would be comments like "outrageous institutional bias towards rural America. As well as white backlash."


What is untrue about the two statements:

1. Rural votes count more than urban votes, due to the EV (compare WY to CA)
2. White rural voters outperformed everyone's models in the election
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What is untrue about the two statements:

1. Rural votes count more than urban votes, due to the EV (compare WY to CA)
2. White rural voters outperformed everyone's models in the election
1. Fact
2. Likely...I wasn't tuned into white rural voter models
3. Misogyny (my addition )

Maybe start a thread about amending the Twelfth Amendment?
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I don't necessarily want to repeal the 12tg amendment, but we need to acknowledge the reality of what is going on -- some votes count more than others. The polarized electorate along rural/urban divide has revealed this structural flaw.
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I believe we're all waiting for your response to moonlit's other two questions...
He still hasn't even acknowledged mine.





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Just two months ago it was the Republicans that were the regional party and dying a slow death.
I know it's already been pointed out, but to reiterate, he lost by millions of votes, and only one BECAUSE of the EC being based more on regions, than reality.
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This is great, a $35 book is now 5 bucks, thanks Donald





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Drinking Black Butte Porter? Wow. Womanfish will crack up. We both lived in the same Oregon city where that is brewed. #BendRepresent


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I guess this is your playful way of wishing the President-elect a Happy New Year.
I think all of us regulars in here should follow your lead. Happy New Year to all, friends and others just the same.
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“If you have something really important, write it out and have it delivered by courier, the old fashioned way because I'll tell you what, no computer is safe,” Trump told pool reporters when asked about the role of cyber security in his upcoming administration.
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