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Old 12-30-2016, 08:21 PM   #841
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Bullshit. This was a politically motivated bullshit shutdown led by the Ted Cruz's of the world in order to defund Obamacare. The Republicans then tried to pick and choose which areas to fund after the shutdown began. The only people who disliked the optics of the Obama administration were those were going to dislike whatever Obama did, anyways.
Bad Optics and Elitism has contributed to the loss of 63 Congressional seats, 10 Senate seats, and 12 Governorships during the Obama Presidency.
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Old 12-30-2016, 08:30 PM   #842
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Bad Optics and Elitism has contributed to the loss of 63 Congressional seats, 10 Senate seats, and 12 Governorships during the Obama Presidency.
You mean bullshit? Yea, we unfortunately have a lot of people in this country who fall for bullshit. Bullshit just elected a clown as president.

Maybe that's just the elite part of me speaking, though.
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Old 12-30-2016, 08:39 PM   #843
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You mean bullshit? Yea, we unfortunately have a lot of people in this country who fall for bullshit. Bullshit just elected a clown as president.

Maybe that's just the elite part of me speaking, though.
Time for the Democrats to figure out what that narrative is and who will carry the message forward. In 2018 the Democrats have to defend 23 Senate Seats to the Republican's 8.
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Time for the Democrats to figure out what that narrative is and who will carry the message forward. In 2018 the Democrats have to defend 23 Senate Seats to the Republican's 8.
2018 is a lost cause due to gerrymandering and what you wrote.

By 2020 when Trump is an embarrassment even to the likes of you (I'm sure you'll conveniently disappear from the forum like when grabapussygate happened), and the Republicans have to defend almost all the seats, and the census leads to redistricting, you won't be this smug.
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No doubt he will try to pick off more and more smaller nations to rebuild an old USSSR.
Getting sick of hearing this. It would be of little benefit to Russia.

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His campaign staff had ties to Russian Oligarchs, and his incoming staff has even closer ties.

It's not a stretch to think that there is favoritism going on, or potentially that Trump is paying back some sort of business loans/deals made in the past.

It's all just a little unnerving.


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There are lots of Americans who would have had ties to Russian oligarchs, do you remember the 90s at all? It's not exactly ridiculous that Trump would given his business empire.

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We are Putin's bitch come Jan 20th.

Thanks Trumpets.
Just like Yeltsin was America's.

On a more serious level, was Putin not gushed over by the Western press once he took power or something to that effect? The level of discourse on this board on this particular issue is pretty lacklustre the best of times.
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On a more serious level, was Putin not gushed over by the Western press once he took power or something to that effect? The level of discourse on this board on this particular issue is pretty lacklustre the best of times.
I don't remember the gushing to be honest, but I can only speak for Canadian press I recall.

He fairly quickly became a caricature of an evil dictator which is how he is portrayed today. In fairness he contributed a lot to this image by wrestling bears naked or whatever it is that he does in his spare time (while ensuring it's photographed).
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I think it might have been fairly early on in his rule, maybe not quite 'gushing' (an exaggeration on my part) but at least a somewhat hopeful portrait awarded to him.
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Vlad, would you be willing to give a brief summary of your Putin opinions and of his foreign policy decisions? It did occur to me, while trying to get my head around Aleppo, that perhaps Putin has got that one right. It's very difficult to know what to think about these things when the information you're distilling is so one-sided.

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Time for the Democrats to figure out what that narrative is and who will carry the message forward. In 2018 the Democrats have to defend 23 Senate Seats to the Republican's 8.

This seams to be your go to; I can't backup what I'm... so what are the Dems gonna do?

Well it seems like your message is that they should embrace the fake news/ propaganda route?





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This seams to be your go to; I can't backup what I'm... so what are the Dems gonna do?

Well it seems like your message is that they should embrace the fake news/ propaganda route?





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There is, unfortunately, truth to it though. If political leaders can't take people with them they're failing, no matter how correct they are.
This is happening all over the world and is scary as fuck. The charismatic firebrands all seem to be far right. The left seems to have missed the memo that we're in the sound-bite age.

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There is, unfortunately, truth to it though. If political leaders can't take people with them they're failing, no matter how correct they are.
This is happening all over the world and is scary as fuck. The charismatic firebrands all seem to be far right. The left seems to have missed the memo that we're in the sound-bite age.

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Yeah, social media is turning us into click bait world. And those of us that still cherish fact and logic are laughed at. I'm not sure what to do. Do we hope fact will prevail, or play the game?


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This seams to be your go to; I can't backup what I'm... so what are the Dems gonna do?

Well it seems like your message is that they should embrace the fake news/ propaganda route?





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This was reserved for my back and forth with Headache. His previous statement seemed to confirm the Democratic conundrum
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You life facts? Pssh... Elitist
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Time for the Democrats to figure out what that narrative is and who will carry the message forward. In 2018 the Democrats have to defend 23 Senate Seats to the Republican's 8.


And they've won 6 out of the last 7 popular votes for the presidency, often by significant margins.

Your post indicates a problem for Democrats, but only insofar as they've yet to be able to overcome the outrageous institutional bias towards rural America. As well as white backlash to our first black president.
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The President-elect's New Year's message is truly inspiring. Love!

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oh man have you guys seen Trump's Happy New Year tweet?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

omg i am actually thinking the next few years might not be so bad after all if he keeps making me laugh this much - who needs comedy with a president like that?!
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oops, missed your post!

i think it might be the best thing yet!
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omg i am actually thinking the next few years might not be so bad after all if he keeps making me laugh this much - who needs comedy with a president like that?!

Truthfully this is how I feel. I loathe him but I mean he's president... gotta at least enjoy it for what it's worth. America wanted a clown and at least he's trying... to be funny...
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This was reserved for my back and forth with Headache. His previous statement seemed to confirm the Democratic conundrum
I believe we're all waiting for your response to moonlit's other two questions...
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oh man have you guys seen Trump's Happy New Year tweet?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

omg i am actually thinking the next few years might not be so bad after all if he keeps making me laugh this much - who needs comedy with a president like that?!
Incredible, he's like a child in a playground. I actually can't believe any (70 odd year old) adult never mind a president could be so immature and lack any sort of self awareness. Beyond politics, his behaviour and Tweets are just insane.
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