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Old 12-28-2016, 07:19 PM   #781
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So does this mean 1994 (or thereabouts, i'm not exactly sure what year it was where not jokes were considered the pinnacle of humor, but i'd say 94 is the general ballpark) is when America was last great?

i'm waiting with baited breath for the day he quotes the illustrious Pee Wee Herman and tells a troll that he knows they are but what is he.

That "i've been here so long i remember" thread reminds me. I remember when headache was a republican! it's also a good thing that for some reason I remember his AIM handle, since we'll be reverting back to a time when America was great I may need it as a means of communication again.
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Trump wants to send a man to the moon.

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There's not a single forward thinking one among them; his cabinet or voters.


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Easy there. Him promoting space would be the best news I could ask for, given all the other disappointment.
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I have a sinus infection. Waiting for it to clear up before I can give the questions my full attention and post grammatically correct long-form responses. I don't want to get lumped in with other Trumpers who are notorious for displaying bad grammar.
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Promoting space is one thing, but do you really think we should be going back to the moon? And taking NASA off of climate change to do it?
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Promoting space is one thing, but do you really think we should be going back to the moon? And taking NASA off of climate change to do it?

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. Space exploration isn't merely about spending money to reach humankind's greatest leap. There's nothing wrong with developing new technologies to reach the same location. I worked for NASA last year, on the Evolvable Mars Campaign. No, the moon isn't in the books, but it very well could be as a proving ground for Martian space flight travel.

In regards to "taking NASA off climate change," not only is it not even remotely as simple as that, but NASA also isn't a sole player in that category. There's the EPA and the NOAA, just for starts. Research at NASA is never as cut and dry as to say you can take NASA "off climate change." A lot of the work done is diversified and mixed into other projects. It's hard to simply cut that out of NASA, when the research is so broad, but even so, that's only a tiny part of NASA as an agency.
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I have a sinus infection. Waiting for it to clear up before I can give the questions my full attention and post grammatically correct long-form responses. I don't want to get lumped in with other Trumpers who are notorious for displaying bad grammar.
Oreg, best to ignore the few folks here who spend all their time trying to project their own insecurities onto others, just for the sport of it.
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I have a sinus infection. Waiting for it to clear up before I can give the questions my full attention and post grammatically correct long-form responses. I don't want to get lumped in with other Trumpers who are notorious for displaying bad grammar.

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Promoting space is one thing, but do you really think we should be going back to the moon? And taking NASA off of climate change to do it?

It's especially odd since China just announced they'll be on Mars in 2020.


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Thanks, bud. Gonna take it easy NYE. The past 3 weekends were busy. Gonna immerse myself in Alt(ernative)-R(elaxation). Maybe. I'll be back with some posts as soon as the brain juice flows.
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Oreg, best to ignore the few folks here who spend all their time trying to project their own insecurities onto others, just for the sport of it.

No insecurities here, just been waiting for those particular answers for months so I'm glad someone is willing to finally engage.

Speaking of which, when are you willing to drop the passive aggressive bs and engage yourself?


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And taking NASA off of climate change to do it?

Given Trump's cabinet makeup, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the primary reason behind the proposal.
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I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. Space exploration isn't merely about spending money to reach humankind's greatest leap. There's nothing wrong with developing new technologies to reach the same location. I worked for NASA last year, on the Evolvable Mars Campaign. No, the moon isn't in the books, but it very well could be as a proving ground for Martian space flight travel.

In regards to "taking NASA off climate change," not only is it not even remotely as simple as that, but NASA also isn't a sole player in that category. There's the EPA and the NOAA, just for starts. Research at NASA is never as cut and dry as to say you can take NASA "off climate change." A lot of the work done is diversified and mixed into other projects. It's hard to simply cut that out of NASA, when the research is so broad, but even so, that's only a tiny part of NASA as an agency.
I didn't just throw the climate change thing out there, Trump did.
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When Newt talked about colonizing the moon, it was his best idea I've heard from him.

We have to start thinking about progress for our species, as resources here on Earth will be limited.

Moon, Mars, deep space....assuming we don't kill ourselves off, it's really the best solution to look at


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When Newt talked about colonizing the moon, it was his best idea I've heard from him.

We have to start thinking about progress for our species, as resources here on Earth will be limited.

Moon, Mars, deep space....assuming we don't kill ourselves off, it's really the best solution to look at


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Agree with what you and LuckyNumber7 both have said.

These sorts of things would only help get more kids interested in science. Ya know, real science. Not just Marvel Universe bullshit. This has been a problem in the U.S. for quite some time. Inspiration matters a lot. Dream big, think big. See a career in scientific fields as being just as exciting as being a YouTube star. Maybe that many more smarties will stop worrying about pop culture nonsense.

Here is what Robert Zubrin said about going to Mars (and going back to the Moon will serve as impetus to get to Mars)

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Or if go to Mars and find plenty of evidence of past bodies of water but no evidence of fossils or the development of life, then we can say that the development of life from chemistry is not sort of a natural process that occurs with high probability but includes some freak chance and we could be alone in the universe. Furthermore if we can go to Mars and drill, because there’s liquid water underground on Mars, reach the ground water, there could be life there now. And if we can get hold of that and look at it and examine its biological structure and biochemistry we could find out if life as it exists on Mars is the same as Earth life because all Earth life at the biochemical level is the same—we all use the same amino acids, the same method of replicating and transmitting information, RNA and DNA, all that---is that what life has to be, or could life be very different from that? Are we what life is, or are we just one example drawn from a much vaster tapestry of possibilities? This is real science, this is fundamental questions that thinking men and women wondered about for thousands of years, the role of life in the universe. This is very different from going to the moon and dating craters in order to produce enough data to get a credible paper to publish in the journal of geophysical research and get tenure, okay? This is you know hypothesis driven, critical science. This is the real thing.

Second, the challenge. I think societies are like individuals, we grow when we challenge ourselves, we stagnate when we do not. A humans to Mars program would be tremendously bracing challenge for our society, it would be tremendously productive particularly amount youth. Humans to Mars program would say to every kid in school today, “Learn your science and you could be an explorer of a new world.” We’d get millions of scientists, engineers, and inventors, technological entrepreneurs, doctors, medical researchers out of that, and the intellectual capital from that would enormously benefit us. It would dwarf the cost of the program.

And then finally, it’s the future. Mars is the closest planet that has on it all the resources needed to support life and therefore civilization. If we do what we can do in our time—we establish that little Plymouth rock settlement on Mars—then 500 years from now, there’ll be new branches of human civilization on Mars and I believe throughout nearby interstellar space, but you know, look: I ask any American what happened in 1492? They’ll tell me, “Well Columbus sailed in 1492,” and that is correct, he did. But that is not the only thing that happened in 1492. In 1492, England and France signed a peace treaty. In 1492, the Borgias took over the papacy. In 1492, Lorenzo De’Medici, the richest man in the world, died. Okay? A lot of things happened, if there had been newspapers in 1492, which there weren’t, but if there had, those would have been the headlines, not this Italian weaver’s son taking a bunch of ships and sailing off to nowhere, okay? But Columbus is what we remember, not the Borgias taking over the papacy. Well, 500 years from now, people are not going to remember which faction came out on top in Iraq, or Syria, or whatever, and who was in and who was out and you know….but they will remember what we do to make their civilization possible, okay?

So this is the most important thing we could do, the most important thing we could do in this time, and if you have it in your power to do something great and important and wonderful, then you should.
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I didn't just throw the climate change thing out there, Trump did.

You kinda did, though. It's a wrong assumption to think there's some form of NASA balance between going to the moon and climate change. Just because Trump says it doesn't make it true. That's an easy statement that I'm sure we all know.
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When Newt talked about colonizing the moon, it was his best idea I've heard from him.

We have to start thinking about progress for our species, as resources here on Earth will be limited.

Moon, Mars, deep space....assuming we don't kill ourselves off, it's really the best solution to look at


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It's one of the few reasons why I can find a small sliver of respect for Newt. He's a dirty man, but it disappointed me when the right laughed at him for that proposition.
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You kinda did, though. It's a wrong assumption to think there's some form of NASA balance between going to the moon and climate change. Just because Trump says it doesn't make it true. That's an easy statement that I'm sure we all know.
I think you're 100% misreading my post. I said going back to the moon using funding he wants to cut from doing climate research is stupid. And I believe you are saying that two can't so easily be separated, which I am aware of. You may work in that field, but that doesn't mean the rest of us know nothing about space exploration, or care nothing about the field. I was not advocating for less space travel, I've wanted them to expand for as long as I can remember. I've always had a love for space and astronomy, as long as I can remember. But Trump's attitude towards this topic, and the way he has approached NASA as a whole since the election is wrong, and it doesn't make me excited at all to return to the moon. You're putting feelings into my words where they don't exist, and drawing the wrong opinion on my stance to boot.

I hardly believe you didn't know what I was referring to, but just in case:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...hange-research
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Agree with what you and LuckyNumber7 both have said.

These sorts of things would only help get more kids interested in science. Ya know, real science. Not just Marvel Universe bullshit. This has been a problem in the U.S. for quite some time. Inspiration matters a lot. Dream big, think big. See a career in scientific fields as being just as exciting as being a YouTube star. Maybe that many more smarties will stop worrying about pop culture nonsense.

Here is what Robert Zubrin said about going to Mars (and going back to the Moon will serve as impetus to get to Mars)
Oh come on. At least as far as the entertainment industry goes, there are just as many movies every year about realistic space travel in theaters as there are Marvel movies.

This just feels like another dismissive post about what's wrong with "kids today".

But I 100% agree that there should be an increase in space travel. I just think The Donald is handling it incorrectly.
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This whole "Trump" thing. Being totally selfish, he can do whatever the hell he likes in the US as long as he doesn't start a world war and affect us outside the States. The guy obviously has some sort of personality disorder and the intellect of a five year old so I'm not sure he won't actually start a world war. Quite a troubling period coming up I fear.
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