Trump General Discussion III

[Oregoropa]

With SCOTUS up for grabs (no nominee should be confirmed until after the 2020 election, because if the will of the people is so important, then the 3m more who voted for HRC must be represented)

No . . . that is not how this works. I'm sorry.

 

[bobsaget77]

Homophobia is misogyny.

With SCOTUS up for grabs (no nominee should be confirmed until after the 2020 election, because if the will of the people is so important, then the 3m more who voted for HRC must be represented), I do not take the legality of my marriage, or of my right not to be refused service, or a social environment where thugs do not feel emboldened, for granted at all.

And I live in about the most tolerant place possible.

 

[bono_212]

Gender and sexuality are intimately connected, and I believe that's what they asked for from State -- people who worked with n gender and sexuality stuff.

While it seems as if Trump himself doesn't personallycare, Mike Pence certainly does, and so do The Senators Cruz and Lee who are planning to reintroduce their "religious freedom" bill, which will legalize discrimination against LGBT as well as unmarried people.

While I'd be a bit more scared if I were Muslim or the environment or a woman, there's plenty to fret about for LGBT folks.

you Don't have to tell me with Pence, I definitely get it there. Thank you for the response, that makes sense.

Personally, I'm with you. I don't feel threatened. In fact, if anything, Donnie Orange has been a shepherd of his folks to "move past" that "issue."

Why folks of the LGBT community are worried? Gender equality and LGBT rights are implicitly related. Both are related through the challenging of the "traditional" social model, if you will.

And thank you as well. Both responses help me kinda get a better understanding.

 

[BVS]

No . . . that is not how this works. I'm sorry.

You haven't been paying attention have you? Tell me again all the excuses for blocking Obama's appointment.


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[LuckyNumber7]

No . . . that is not how this works. I'm sorry.

How does it work though? Surely republicans were calling for the will of the people as a reason to delay a nomination. Now, that confuses me because, the election shows that the will of the people was Hillary Clinton. Yet, the will of the union (which is how of course our electoral system works) chose Trump.

Do you think this election says the will of the people is Donald Trump? Let me be clear... I'm not supportive of a popular vote system. But a popular vote system is the very definition of the will of the people.

 

[Oregoropa]

You haven't been paying attention have you? Tell me again all the excuses for blocking Obama's appointment.


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Wouldn't it be lovely if you had 60 Democratic Senators

 

[kiwilad]

You are exercising rationalism. I don't think that exists anymore.

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[BVS]

Wouldn't it be lovely if you had 60 Democratic Senators

No, it would be lovely if you hadn't lit the match.


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[Vlad n U 2]

I don't think there is anything more painful in the current state of this board (aside from instances of racism/misogyny from the reactionaries here) than liberals discussing anything related to Russia and ensuing hysteria.

As someone who is part Russian and doesn't subscribe to liberal or nationalistic perspectives on the country, it's painful to have to read.

United States of Soviet Russia

Dude tweeted about nukes just hours after Putin discussed the same issue.

For all these American flag wearing, red white and blue bleeding GOP people, why do they accept a president who looks up to, praises, and quite possibly beholden to a known enemy of our country?

What would Ronald Think???


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[Moonlit_Angel]

I've no issue with Russia itself as a nation, but Trump's friendship with Putin, and the idea of a foreign nation that we haven't had the best relationship with (to put it mildly) having a role in hacking our system and influencing the outcome of our election in Trump's favor is worrying.

Plus, as noted, there's just the basic irony of how Republicans were all about hating Russia for years, 'cause commies and whatnot...but now, apparently, it's totally okay with them that Trump's got a good relationship with the nation and its leader. 'Cause Putin's all strong and manly tough, unlike that "weak" Obama .

 

[Irvine511]

No . . . that is not how this works. I'm sorry.

That's how the GOP decided it was going to work last February.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

No . . . that is not how this works. I'm sorry.

Delaying for a year until you can get a Republican in office isn't how it works, either.

Sowwy

 

[Vlad n U 2]

I've no issue with Russia itself as a nation, but Trump's friendship with Putin, and the idea of a foreign nation that we haven't had the best relationship with (to put it mildly) having a role in hacking our system and influencing the outcome of our election in Trump's favor is worrying.

It is, but it seems rather hypocritical if you'd look at this but ignore the US role in keeping Yeltsin in power two decades ago (something Time magazine famously celebrated at the time, I could understand the outrage if you found a Russian magazine celebrating this election result in much the same way!).

Plus, as noted, there's just the basic irony of how Republicans were all about hating Russia for years, 'cause commies and whatnot...but now, apparently, it's totally okay with them that Trump's got a good relationship with the nation and its leader.

Putin would fit fairly comfortably within the Republican Party if you're talking on a ideological level (minus region specific political views).

My primary issue is how Russia is framed in the media, where there is a very insulting level of understanding of Russia. It shits me to tears.

 

[kiwilad]

Why are Trump voters seemingly incapable of accepting and analysing the blatantly crap aspects of his regime to date? I mean come on, where's the critical thinking? The balanced thinking?
This all just feels like a prequel to some horrific dystopian tv show

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[Vlad n U 2]

Why are Trump voters seemingly incapable of accepting and analysing the blatantly crap aspects of his regime to date? I mean come on, where's the critical thinking? The balanced thinking?
This all just feels like a prequel to some horrific dystopian tv show

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It's a fairly normal occurrence, no?

 

[Oregoropa]

That's how the GOP decided it was going to work last February.

You can do that when you control the Senate. Its called leverage, precedent, and separation of powers.

There is no equivalency of waiting 4 years, because you disagree with the 12th Amendment.

 

[Irvine511]

You can do that when you control the Senate. Its called leverage, precedent, and separation of powers.



There is no equivalency of waiting 4 years, because you disagree with the 12th Amendment.

There's no precedent or equivalency for refusing to even meet with a nominee for 11 months either.

All we should be concerned about is the will of the people -- the people who preferred HRC by 3m votes. This has nothing to do with who received more electoral college votes. We should do what we can to reduce the institutional privilege of rural voters if we are to have a court that reflects the values outlined by the GOP the moment their anti-science originalist died earlier this year.

 

[BVS]

You can do that when you control the Senate. Its called leverage, precedent, and separation of powers.



There is no equivalency of waiting 4 years, because you disagree with the 12th Amendment.

So establishment and swamp works for you when it's in your favor?

Check 10647 reason why you're a hypocrite.


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[bono_212]

You can do that when you control the Senate. Its called leverage, precedent, and separation of powers.

There is no equivalency of waiting 4 years, because you disagree with the 12th Amendment.

Speak truthfully. Not the party line: do you honestly believe it was within precident, within the correct usage of the balances of power, for this have gone on as long as it has? Your opinion only, not what other people say. Your interpretation of how the government is meant to run.

 

[dazzledbylight]

the stuff going on in NC is is so awful.

I remember when Newt (the Pillsbury Ugh boy) & co banished the Democrats to holding their caucuses etc in the basement, they wouldn't allow them access to certain things etc At least if they try to pull that shit again... the Dems do have The Tweety, smart phone vids etc to get the word out there and then. You ddn't hear much about what was go9ing on back then unless you were listening to Public Radio.

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Seriously, between this mess and all this Russian hacking business and whatnot, isn't there ANYTHING here that could actually officially disqualify him from ever becoming president because of how flat out illegal it is or whatever? There's got to be something, right?

I hope some really deeply knowledgeable constitutional scholars, lawyers, and those could follow down into the root tip ends of possible other obscure laws that might cause that to happen are working on this !

Who said here some weeks back that their toddler had better emotional control than Drumpf?

Just found out today that our local Trumpet has been writing 'anonymously' to the neighbors that don't have lights up, saying they're either atheist or Muslim, and that neither will be tolerated. Someone on our forum recognized her handwriting. WTF is wrong with people?

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jeeeezzzz & crackers

Here in NYC and some other very diverse cities people are giving training to people who want to be able to defuse a situation where someone is harassing one of Trump's targeted groups. Thank goodness some people might be protected then.

All of this is going to be small potatoes compared to what is going to happen with the climate....

...I think we can survive Trump's economic policies, we can bounce back from civil rights injustices, but we won't bounce back from the climate.

The people whose Medicare might be reduced, future near to retirement SS be privatized, Medicaid slashed or totally eliminated, Food stamps further reduced by Ryan & Co would probably disagree with you...

OTOH... Climate Change... it is staggering to think of what could happen/and the things happening in the N & S Poles already (and less drastic at this point things happening elsewhere) ... and this..... anti-science doofus....

two things are clear from this election.

1) both parties need to be blown up, preferably into at least 4 pieces. clearly both parties have deep divides. the republican party might seem all happy go lucky now because they actually won, but the win is only masking the deep rooted divisions in the party.

2) it's time for another constitutional convention and a shift away from the two-party, electoral college ways of old and on to a system of proportional representation. in a nation this vast, to tell people they need to fit into a cookie cutter two party platform is insane.

1) In the past USA historians have tracked (after ?The Whig Party died off) that at some point when a third party has formed to address ignored issues eventually one of the two parties take that issue into their platform.

2) i don't think so... there are now enough States with Republican majorities to wreck even more havoc on Liberal Democracy since they could propose and have a better chance now get thing through.

Could two nations be the answer?...

Of course the first act of the southern/red nation would be to ask for continuous AID from the Blue Coastal / Northern states.
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Every time people come up with idea of sending "The South" off into their own country I worry about all the African-Americans living there being even more in trouble without the more liberal states to at least partly mitigate racists laws federally.

T...

Meanwhile the actual GOP electors were getting death threats. Needed police escorts in some spots...

Getting death threats is a horrific thing. I am sorry that happened.

But did you you feel any sympathy for the persons ( i believe non-Trump voters)e that a poster here reported their friends alerted people by social media that they had to be escorted to safely vote ?

And if it was Hillary who won...

... how many of your Trumpeteers would have showed up in similar protests marches post-Election with fucking guns, semi-automatics etc?... cause there very little of that, if any, on our side in those anti-Trump

Why are Trump voters seemingly incapable of accepting and analysing the blatantly crap aspects of his regime to date? I mean come on, where's the critical thinking? The balanced thinking?
This all just feels like a prequel to some horrific dystopian tv show
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Some professors have considered that some of those college-educated people who voted for Trump had authoritarian parents (they did interviews and possibly questionaires) that made them feel comfortable voting for him.
Others maybe cognitive dissonance?

Look at what is happening in Europe - I would be pretty surprised if Angela Merkel manages to stay in power after the next elections in Germany. I have never particularly cared for her brand of politics for a number of reasons so it isn't as if I feel a great loss at all, but the alternative will probably be more reactionary and more right-wing.

And France? has an upcoming election with some right-winger roaring about. jeeez....

Vlad>
So tell us how you think USA'rs are ignorant about the Russian people. I know a little bit of Russians history , a bit from school but more later particularly through public radio.

Irving>
Did you and husband get to Paris? Remember people here were really worried about traveling to Paris after which atrocity had happened there. Was there one after Nice?

I was able to go in Sept (from another European country I was visiting/staying in with relatives ) who paid for almost my whole vacation! A totally out-of-the blue once-in-a-lifetime amazing gift!
The green countryside/farmland were I stayed (in a small village) was incredible, and deeply uplifting , and Pari (which I've wanted to visit for decades)s was as beautiful and wonderful as I expected it to be!

 

[Hewson]

Passengers Removed from JetBlue Flight in Ivanka Trump Incident - NBC News

Enjoy the holidays in FLA Irvine. Hope the next flight is better,

 

[dazzledbylight]

As far as the "expanding our Nuclear weapons" tweet...

After having spent several days trying to finish a project, finally coming up for air and really getting down to
decorating my apt for Christmas this afternoon (previously having done only a little bit)...
...I'm SO glad I missed this news till I read it here (missed it on the radio) tonight!

That would have stopped me in my happy tracks!

I lived through i guess the last two thirds/?three quarters of the Cold War.
i was 9 watching The Cuban Missile Crisis on TV and reading Th NYT a bit in our gifted class.
Terrifying because I was smart enough to realize "we're all gonna die" more less back then.

Now Rachel Maddow had Kelly Ann Conway on tonight( caught it later as a snippet on the next program) and KAC implied he just meant modernizing...

Still then are all the Nuclear Nations going to do that.? uuuuuuhhhh... near to speechlessness
I was at the biggest Anti-Nuclear Weapons March in NYC back in the early 80's...

Oh and on "the 11thbhour" they mentioned President Obama could take our military off of "hair trigger" status before he leaves office.

one last thing>
this phone # still works -I tried it last week

FreeCall Congress:
1-866-338-1015

You get the Capitol Switchboard and you tell the Operator which Senator or Representative you wish to speak to.

So call early, call often!


Wishing you all Happy Holidays (at least the best you can have) !

 

[Irvine511]

Passengers Removed from JetBlue Flight in Ivanka Trump Incident - NBC News

Enjoy the holidays in FLA Irvine. Hope the next flight is better,

As if I'd ever set foot in Florida. Gross!

 

[Irvine511]

particularly through public radio.

Irving>
Did you and husband get to Paris? Remember people here were really worried about traveling to Paris after which atrocity had happened there. Was there one after Nice?
!

Our trip was to the eastern Mediterranian, not Paris, and it was awesome.

Although our plan to go to Istanbul and Cappadoccia next year have been set aside for the time being.

 

[gump]

What a world we live in. China is the new responsible global power. There is actually no room for debate on this.

 

[BVS]

Don the Con at his Twitter again; now he's talking about all these A list celebrities he's turning down for tickets to his Armageddon, I mean inauguration.

How the hell did you voters ever believe one sentence that came out of his mouth?


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[Headache in a Suitcase]

Rieckhoff’s group and other major [veteran's] organizations have urgently requested to meet with Trump. They have not been able to get a commitment. The transition team instead sent a delegation to talk with them which included Omarosa Manigault, a star of Trump’s reality TV show “The Apprentice.”

“It is actually insulting,” said Rieckhoff. “The highest-ranking person the leading veterans services organizations have met with is Omarosa.”

Yup.

 

[mama cass]

if he's so pally with Putin, how's this whole new arms race thing supposed to work? who's arms-racing who, and why?

 

[deep]

Joe Biden weighs in

“These are good people, man. These aren’t racists, these aren’t sexists.”

Biden: Clinton Never 'Figured it Out' in Explaining Her Run for President - ABC News

Vice President Joe Biden suggested in an interview that former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton was unable to clearly communicate why she ran for the nation's highest office.

“I don’t think she ever really figured it out,” Biden told the Los Angeles Times. “And by the way, I think it was really hard for her to decide to run.”

Clinton didn't run out of raw ambition or a need to move back to the White House, Biden said in the story published Thursday.

Rather, the outgoing vice president said he think she ran out of a sense of duty and a desire to open up "a whole range of new vistas for women" as the nation's first woman president.

“She thought she had no choice but to run. That, as the first woman who had an opportunity to win the presidency, I think it was a real burden on her,” Biden said.

He recalled sensing a lack of enthusiasm at Clinton rallies, including one in northern Virginia.

“You didn’t see any Hillary signs,” Biden said in the interview. “Every time I talked about Hillary they listened. But …”

Biden also commented on the rise of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders -- Clinton's rival in the Democratic primaries -- to become a populist hero. He drew a distinction between what he called President Obama’s middle-class agenda and Sanders’ anti-Wall Street focus.

“I like Bernie,” Biden said. “But I don’t think 500 billionaires caused all our problems.”

He said it first occurred to him that Donald Trump might win the election when he watched footage of the Republican candidate at a rally in October in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, not far from Biden's childhood home.

He recalled thinking, “'Son of a gun. We may lose this election.'” Trump voters, he said, are “all the people I grew up with. They’re their kids. And they’re not racist. They’re not sexist. But we didn’t talk to them.”

Biden made similar comments during an interview with CNN earlier this month, when he said, “These are good people, man. These aren’t racists, these aren’t sexists.”

 

[Oregoropa]

Joe Biden weighs in

“These are good people, man. These aren’t racists, these aren’t sexists.”

Biden: Clinton Never 'Figured it Out' in Explaining Her Run for President - ABC News

America's Uncle. I like Joe.


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