Trump General Discussion III

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Drain the swamp!

 

[mama cass]

Embrace the swamp! Shrek for president!

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

A fucking oil CEO is Secretary of State. I mean you just can't make this shit up.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

A fucking oil CEO is Secretary of State. I mean you just can't make this shit up.

But he's a friend of Russia!!!!!!

 

[LuckyNumber7]

Very qualified by that standard. Bigly.

 

[BEAL]

Guys, if Trump succeeds, we do!!!


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[Headache in a Suitcase]

So Drudge is reporting the Washington Post's CIA/Trump/Russia article as "Fake News"

Because we're fucked and stupid, that's why.

 

[mama cass]

I fear "fake news" is going to be used as an attempt to debunk anything nowadays, science, history, knowledge... it's becoming clearer and clearer to me by the day how ancient civilisations ended, stoopid humans

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

He also indicated that as president, he would not take the daily intelligence briefing that President Obama and his predecessors have received. Mr. Trump, who has received the briefing sparingly as president-elect, said that it was often repetitive and that he would take it “when I need it.” He said his vice president, Mike Pence, would receive the daily briefing.

For fucks sake

 

[prbiker15]

For fucks sake

The man just wants the title and he's doing all he can to keep his lifestyle while having the title. What a joke.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

And meanwhile, a woman who's actually prepared for this job and has shittons of experience didn't win because...emails, and stuff.

Unbelievable.

 

[BEAL]

I fear "fake news" is going to be used as an attempt to debunk anything nowadays, science, history, knowledge... it's becoming clearer and clearer to me by the day how ancient civilisations ended, stoopid humans

I do think our way of life is going to change drastically over the next few decades.

We have done nothing to slow the warming of the climate, so people's homes, crops, and livelihoods will change and most for the worst.

Income inequality will continue to grow, especially in the rust belt / rural areas that cannot keep up with a changing economy and world.

Will it be the end of humanity? No, we will survive and adjust. We may even rebuild into something better. But my fear is it's going to get much much worse before it gets better again.

And that's without even discussing potential conflicts overseas and terrorism.


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[LuckyNumber7]

And meanwhile, a woman who's actually prepared for this job and has shittons of experience didn't win because...emails, and stuff.



Unbelievable.

We know that's not actually why though.

Can we just state this now... emails were a type of confirmation bias for a mixture of primarily (1) sports team politics and secondarily (2) sexism.

Most people don't know anything about the details of the email thing. Even more people don't know anything about information security, and wouldn't know anything about the severity or implications of such a case, or to the what level how irresponsible what she did was. The news is passed around and it is a means to justify not wanting her. End of story on that topic.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

I'm not deflecting criticism of her, she has real flaws, but people seem less interested in reality.

And I mean it's a joke that she had to be compared to Trump.

 

[BoMac]

Given the potential ties between Trump and Russia I'm not sure that Trump skipping the intelligence briefings isn't a good thing.

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[Irvine511]

And I mean it's a joke that she had to be compared to Trump.

The misogyny continues to take my breath away. The indignities this one woman has suffered at the hands of pathetic, needy men (Trump, Bill, Weiner) makes one despair.

But then again, I did hear she's kind of a bitch. Maybe if she just smiled a little more?

 

[Bluer White]

But then again, I did hear she's kind of a bitch. Maybe if she just smiled a little more?

Your message is consistent, will give ya that much

 

[corianderstem]

I know people are scared of Trump quitting/being impeached/whatever else would lead to Pence becoming president because Pence is the real policy danger for many reasons, but it seems like Pence is going to be running the show anyway, so can we just get rid of the thin-skinned narcissist and call it a day?

 

[LuckyNumber7]

I know people are scared of Trump quitting/being impeached/whatever else would lead to Pence becoming president because Pence is the real policy danger for many reasons, but it seems like Pence is going to be running the show anyway, so can we just get rid of the thin-skinned narcissist and call it a day?

That's what I think. Pence is running the show, and even pence wants Trump to shut his mouth.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

We know that's not actually why though.

Can we just state this now... emails were a type of confirmation bias for a mixture of primarily (1) sports team politics and secondarily (2) sexism.

Most people don't know anything about the details of the email thing. Even more people don't know anything about information security, and wouldn't know anything about the severity or implications of such a case, or to the what level how irresponsible what she did was. The news is passed around and it is a means to justify not wanting her. End of story on that topic.

I agree with the general point, but the difference in the states that turned the electoral college was less than 1%. The grand total or votes between Trump and Clinton in the major swing states wouldn't fill a major college football stadium.

Comey's note could certainly have accounted for that small of a difference.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

I agree with the general point, but the difference in the states that turned the electoral college was less than 1%. The grand total or votes between Trump and Clinton in the major swing states wouldn't fill a major college football stadium.

Comey's note could certainly have accounted for that small of a difference.

This is true but I was more commenting on why Trump didn't lose well over half of a political party's worth of votes.

 

[gump]

Topical:

A Portrait of Bush as a Victim of His Own Certitude - The New York Times

In Bob Woodward’s highly anticipated new book, “State of Denial,” President Bush emerges as a passive, impatient, sophomoric and intellectually incurious leader, presiding over a grossly dysfunctional war cabinet and given to an almost religious certainty that makes him disinclined to rethink or re-evaluate decisions he has made about the war.

Mr. Woodward draws an equally scathing portrait of Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, who comes off as a bully and control freak who is reluctant to assume responsibility for his department’s failures, and who has surrounded himself with yes men and created a system that bleached out “strong, forceful military advice.”

As depicted by Mr. Woodward, this is an administration in which virtually no one will speak truth to power, an administration in which the traditional policy-making process involving methodical analysis and debate is routinely subverted. He notes that experts — who recommended higher troop levels in Iraq, warned about the consequences of disbanding the Iraqi Army or worried about the lack of postwar planning— were continually ignored by the White House and Pentagon leadership, or themselves failed, out of cowardice or blind loyalty, to press insistently their case for an altered course in the war.

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition team has circulated an unusual 74-point questionnaire at the Department of Energy that requests the names of all employees and contractors who have attended climate change policy conferences, as well as emails and documents associated with the conferences

We're all gonna die

 

[BVS]

We can now add civil rights lawyers to the list of jobs Trump has created a demand for...

America is great once again.


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[Moonlit_Angel]

We know that's not actually why though.

Can we just state this now... emails were a type of confirmation bias for a mixture of primarily (1) sports team politics and secondarily (2) sexism.

Most people don't know anything about the details of the email thing. Even more people don't know anything about information security, and wouldn't know anything about the severity or implications of such a case, or to the what level how irresponsible what she did was. The news is passed around and it is a means to justify not wanting her. End of story on that topic.

I agree there were other reasons. Just a random late night vent, basically.

Returning back to discussion of this whole Russia thing...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-faces-early-test-republicans-081843944.html

NEW YORK (AP) — The top Senate Republican said Monday that Congress will investigate a CIA assessment that Russia interfered in the November election on behalf of Donald Trump, an intelligence conclusion that the incoming commander in chief has called "ridiculous."

Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told reporters that an inquiry would be conducted by the Senate intelligence panel. Two key Senate Republicans — John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a leading Trump critic — have joined with two Democrats in seeking a bipartisan investigation into the Kremlin's activities during the election.

"Obviously any foreign breach of our cybersecurity measures is disturbing, and I strongly condemn any such efforts," McConnell said.

Unlike Trump, who has expressed admiration for Russian leader Vladimir Putin, McConnell said flatly, "The Russians are not our friends."

The CIA recently concluded with "high confidence" that Russia sought to influence the U.S. election on behalf of Trump, raising red flags among lawmakers concerned about the sanctity of the U.S. voting system and potentially straining relations at the start of Trump's administration.

Trump said Sunday the recent CIA assertion that Russian hacking had sought to help his candidacy was "ridiculous," and he praised ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson, who has emerged as the leading contender to lead the State Department.

Russia expects to figure prominently at the start of a week in which Trump is expected to name more members of his Cabinet, which also has vacancies in the departments of Energy, Agriculture and Veterans Affairs.

Trump's transition team announced Monday that his choice to head the Department of Homeland Security is, as expected, Gen. John Kelly. Kelly is a former commander of U.S. Southern Command with "unique insight into some of the challenges the United States faces at its southern border," the announcement said.

"It's a matter of concern to me that he has such a close personal relationship with Vladimir Putin," McCain said of Tillerson. "And obviously they've done enormous deals together." In an interview with CBS' "Face the Nation," McCain said, "That would color his approach to Vladimir Putin and the Russian threat."

Any chance this probe could prove beneficial, you think? Kinda nice to see a couple GOP members on board with this investigation, and expressing concerns...will be interesting to see how this might pan out.

 

[BVS]

So the Trumpster is going to govern and dictate through his Twitter account.

Lockheed Martin's stock just fell due to him making another insightful remark.

He's claiming hackers are impossible to track unless you catch them in the act.

He's undermining our intelligence.

And as always attacking the press.

Things don't go Donny's way, he'll attack you on Twitter. What will happen when he has real power?


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[Danny Boy]

Is America great again yet? Is there a way I can set an alert or something to let me know?

 

[Irvine511]

hard-hitting Teen Vogue gets it:

The CIA officially determined that Russia intervened in our election, and President-elect Donald Trump dismissed the story as if it were a piece of fake news. "These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction," his transition team wrote in a statement. "The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It’s now time to move on and ‘Make America Great Again'."

It wasn't one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history, so presumably that's another red-herring lie to distract from Trump treating the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States like it is some rogue blogger to be cast to the trolls. A foreign government's interference in our election is a threat to our freedom, and the President-elect's attempt to undermine the American people's access to that information undermines the very foundation upon which this country was built. It's also nothing new.

Trump won the Presidency by gas light. His rise to power has awakened a force of bigotry by condoning and encouraging hatred, but also by normalizing deception. Civil rights are now on trial, though before we can fight to reassert the march toward equality, we must regain control of the truth. If that seems melodramatic, I would encourage you to dump a bucket of ice over your head while listening to “Duel of the Fates." Donald Trump is our President now; it’s time to wake up.

"Gas lighting" is a buzzy name for a terrifying strategy currently being used to weaken and blind the American electorate. We are collectively being treated like Bella Manningham in the 1938 Victorian thriller from which the term "gas light" takes its name. In the play, Jack terrorizes his wife Bella into questioning her reality by blaming her for mischievously misplacing household items which he systematically hides. Doubting whether her perspective can be trusted, Bella clings to a single shred of evidence: the dimming of the gas lights that accompanies the late night execution of Jack’s trickery. The wavering flame is the one thing that holds her conviction in place as she wriggles free of her captor’s control.

To gas light is to psychologically manipulate a person to the point where they question their own sanity, and that’s precisely what Trump is doing to this country. He gained traction in the election by swearing off the lies of politicians, while constantly contradicting himself, often without bothering to conceal the conflicts within his own sound bites. He lied to us over and over again, then took all accusations of his falsehoods and spun them into evidence of bias.

At the hands of Trump, facts have become interchangeable with opinions, blinding us into arguing amongst ourselves, as our very reality is called into question.

There is a long list of receipts when it comes to Trump's lies. With the help of PolitiFact, clear-cut examples of deception include Trump saying that he watched thousands of people cheering on 9/11 in Jersey City (police say there's no evidence of this), that the Mexican government forces immigrants into the U.S. (no evidence), that there are "30 or 34 million" immigrants in this country (there are 10 or 11 million), that he never supported the Iraq War (he told Howard Stern he did), that the unemployment rate is as high as "42 percent" (the highest reported rate is 16.4 percent), that the U.S. is the highest taxed country in the world (not true based on any metric of consideration), that crime is on the rise (it's falling, and has been for decades), and too many other things to list here because the whole tactic is to clog the drain with an indecipherable mass of toxic waste. The gas lighting part comes in when the fictions are disputed by the media, and Trump doubles down on his lies, before painting himself as a victim of unfair coverage, sometimes even threatening to revoke access.

Trump has repeatedly attempted to undermine the press, including such well-respected publications as the New York Times. He has disseminated a wealth of unsubstantiated attacks on the media, though this baseless tweet from April pretty much sums it all up, "How bad is the New York Times -- the most inaccurate coverage constantly. Always trying to belittle. Paper has lost its way!"

As a candidate, Trump's gas lighting was manipulative, as President-elect it is a deliberate attempt to destabilize journalism as a check on the power of government.

To be clear, the "us" here is everyone living under Trump. It's radical progressives, hardline Republicans, and Jill Stein's weird cousin. The President of the United States cannot be lying to the American electorate with zero accountability. The threat of deception is not a partisan issue. Trump took advantage of the things that divide this country, pitting us against one another, while lying his way to the Oval Office. Yes, everything is painfully clear in hindsight, but let’s make sure Trump’s win was the Lasik eye surgery we all so desperately needed.

The good news about this boiling frog scenario is that we’re not boiling yet. Trump is not going to stop playing with the burner until America realizes that the temperature is too high. It’s on every single one of us to stop pretending it’s always been so hot in here.

There are things you can and should be doing to turn your unrest into action, but first let's empower ourselves with information. Insist on fact-checking every Trump statement you read, every headline you share or even relay to a friend over coffee. If you find factual inaccuracies in an article, send an email to the editor, and explain how things should have been clearer. Inform yourself what outlets are trustworthy and which aren’t. If you need extra help, seek out a browser extension that flags misleading sites or print out a list of fake outlets, such as the one by communications professor Melissa Zimdars, and tape it to your laptop. Do a thorough search before believing the agenda Trump distributes on Twitter. Refuse to accept information simply because it is fed to you, and don’t be afraid to ask questions. That is now the base level of what is required of all Americans. If facts become a point of debate, the very definition of freedom will be called into question.

It will be far easier to take on Trump’s words when there is no question of what he’s said or whether he means it. Regardless of your beliefs, we all must insist on that level of transparency. Trump is no longer some reality TV clown who used to fire people on The Apprentice. He is the President of the United States.

The road ahead is a treacherous one. There are unprecedented amounts of ugliness to untangle, from deciding whether our President can be an admitted sexual predator to figuring out how to stop him from threatening the sovereignty of an entire religion. It’s incredible that any of those things could seem like a distraction from a greater peril, or be only the cherry-picked issues in a seemingly unending list of gaffes, but the gaslights are flickering. When defending each of the identities in danger of being further marginalized, we must remember the thing that binds this pig-headed hydra together. As we spin our newfound rage into action, it is imperative to remember, across identities and across the aisle, as a country and as individuals, we have nothing without the truth.

Donald Trump Is Gaslighting America | Teen Vogue

 

[Bluer White]

A fucking oil CEO is Secretary of State. I mean you just can't make this shit up.

But he's a friend of Russia!!!!!!......Very qualified by that standard. Bigly.

Jamal Simmons on ABC's Sunday show This Week:

“We can’t fight every single one of these. And if we’re outraged about everything, nothing will be outrageous.”

 

[Diemen]

Jamal Simmons on ABC's Sunday show This Week:

“We can’t fight every single one of these. And if we’re outraged about everything, nothing will be outrageous.”

So the answer is...?