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Old 11-16-2016, 08:11 AM   #821
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Saying that Trump voters voted for a racist, xenophobic man child who is woefully unqualified for the job would not be an accusation. It would be a statement of fact.

And the day we stop pointing out the awful, terrible things he's said and done is the day that we also accept it. And when we accept that, what's next?

If Trump was the Democratic candidate , I'd have voted Republican and said the same things about him. This is not about party or "sides," it's about how terrible this candidate is, and how awful his worst case scenarios all are.
Yep.

This is no time to be polite or to seek appeasement. You only defeat authoritarian demagogues through sustained and outspoken condemnation and resistance.

The rise and rise of the populist, neo-fascist, racist, misogynistic, paranoid, authoritarian right continues. We - and I count myself in this group - had been too complacent in assuming it was a fringe movement that could never achieve mass popularity, certainly not to the point that it would secure government or be a major oppositional force in liberal democracies throughout Europe, North America, and Australia. This is not the business-as-usual political competition that had previously defined the post-WWII Western order. We must be complacent no more.
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Old 11-16-2016, 08:20 AM   #822
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See? So, it's all hyperbole folks. Donald doesn't have his WN id yet.


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And there again we have it, all the Trump voters are "deplorables".


But if we don't call out really bad behavior we risk normalizing it, and continue our march into the sewer of ethnonationalism.

I know it's uncomfortable, and I don't recommend the "you voted for racism!" as an actual political strategy. But when we think about what just happened, we can't excuse away the fact that a lot of people voted for some really deplorable things. And I think a lot of white men have difficulty understanding these things (because they have the unique opportunity not to be defined by their race and gender, as I've come to terms with my homosexuality I've seen my whiteness and maleness in a totally different light).

And then we have the actual deplorables: the KKK, Steve Brannon, Frank Gafney. I'm not the slightest bit concerned at calling deplorable people deplorable.
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But if we don't call out really bad behavior we risk normalizing it, and continue our march into the sewer of ethnonationalism.

I know it's uncomfortable, and I don't recommend the "you voted for racism!" as an actual political strategy. But when we think about what just happened, we can't excuse away the fact that a lot of people voted for some really deplorable things. And I think a lot of white men have difficulty understanding these things (because they have the unique opportunity not to be defined by their race and gender, as I've come to terms with my homosexuality I've seen my whiteness and maleness in a totally different light).

And then we have the actual deplorables: the KKK, Steve Brannon, Frank Gafney. I'm not the slightest bit concerned at calling deplorable people deplorable.
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But if we don't call out really bad behavior we risk normalizing it, and continue our march into the sewer of ethnonationalism.

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So 60 Million folks exhibited "really bad behavior" last Tuesday?
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well, my point was certainly missed by a country mile.

let's continue to be lazy and blanket-label our political opponents as human pond scum, then. who gives a fuck what that attitude does to the country as long as we can pat ourselves on the back about being better humans than them.
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well, my point was certainly missed by a country mile.

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But not a city mile, those folks would have gotten it.
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So 60 Million folks exhibited "really bad behavior" last Tuesday?
Oh my fucking God. Over the course of the campaign Trump has said many racist, xenophobic and sexist things, and yet people looked the other way and voted for him anyway. It was right there in front of their eyes. We're not making this up.

It comes down to the individual person. If a candidate puts forward economic policies that I 100% agree with to the letter, and yet still enables white nationalists with racist and xenophobic rhetoric such as a Muslim ban, calling Mexicans rapists etc., I AM NOT VOTING FOR THAT PERSON NO MATTER HOW IT WOULD PERSONALLY BENEFIT ME.
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well, my point was certainly missed by a country mile.

let's continue to be lazy and blanket-label our political opponents as human pond scum, then. who gives a fuck what that attitude does to the country as long as we can pat ourselves on the back about being better humans than them.
Yeah, the only thing is that not that many here are blanket-labeling anyone.
Merely 'labeling' Trump's campaign.
And if you can look at Trump's campaign and see something else than xenophobic, fear-mongering trash talk, filled with lies then please enlighten me.

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Oh my fucking God. Over the course of the campaign Trump has said many racist, xenophobic and sexist things, and yet people looked the other way and voted for him anyway. It was right there in front of their eyes. We're not making this up
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Oh my fucking God. Over the course of the campaign Trump has said many racist, xenophobic and sexist things, and yet people looked the other way and voted for him anyway. It was right there in front of their eyes. We're not making this up.

It comes down to the individual person. If a candidate puts forward economic policies that I 100% agree with to the letter, and yet still enables white nationalists with racist and xenophobic rhetoric such as a Muslim ban, calling Mexicans rapists etc., I AM NOT VOTING FOR THAT PERSON NO MATTER HOW IT WOULD PERSONALLY BENEFIT ME.
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Oh my fucking God. Over the course of the campaign Trump has said many racist, xenophobic and sexist things, and yet people looked the other way and voted for him anyway. It was right there in front of their eyes. We're not making this up.

It comes down to the individual person. If a candidate puts forward economic policies that I 100% agree with to the letter, and yet still enables white nationalists with racist and xenophobic rhetoric such as a Muslim ban, calling Mexicans rapists etc., I AM NOT VOTING FOR THAT PERSON NO MATTER HOW IT WOULD PERSONALLY BENEFIT ME.
But the opponent has to be considered as well. What if someone is convinced Mrs. Clinton would plunge the country into a violent conflict in the middle east and their son has just enlisted in the military, would they not have to make a choice as to whether they prefer a guy who is displaying xenophobia to a candidate who might get their child killed in war?(totally hyperbolic situation I know, just illustrating a point that folks make their choice for all kinds of reasons, and the labelling of all of his supporters one way can also be discriminatory)
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well, my point was certainly missed by a country mile.

Which is strange because I'm sure you only sent it a kilometer or so.
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totally hyperbolic situation I know
Yes, I agree.
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Yeah, the only thing is that not that many here are blanket-labeling anyone.
Merely 'labeling' Trump's campaign.
it seems you missed out on the election thread last wednesday. off the top of my head i can think of two posters who did this more than once.
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it seems you missed out on the election thread last wednesday. off the top of my head i can think of two posters who did this more than once.
Its in this thread as well.
3rd post on page 1 is where it starts.
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well, my point was certainly missed by a country mile.
There's a difference between "missing" your point and disagreeing with your point. You aren't the only voice of reason, Dave, yours isn't the only viewpoint that matters.
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Oh my fucking God. Over the course of the campaign Trump has said many racist, xenophobic and sexist things, and yet people looked the other way and voted for him anyway. It was right there in front of their eyes. We're not making this up.

It comes down to the individual person. If a candidate puts forward economic policies that I 100% agree with to the letter, and yet still enables white nationalists with racist and xenophobic rhetoric such as a Muslim ban, calling Mexicans rapists etc., I AM NOT VOTING FOR THAT PERSON NO MATTER HOW IT WOULD PERSONALLY BENEFIT ME.
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Its in this thread as well.
3rd post on page 1 is where it starts.
1) That particular poster has also now stepped away from the board, so there's that.

2) Anything that was said in the first 24 hours after the election, I'd LIKE to think can be a bit overlooked by heat of the moment reaction. Since then, I think the majority of people have voiced their opinion in a reasonable manner. On all sides of the issue.
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But the opponent has to be considered as well. What if someone is convinced Mrs. Clinton would plunge the country into a violent conflict in the middle east and their son has just enlisted in the military, would they not have to make a choice as to whether they prefer a guy who is displaying xenophobia to a candidate who might get their child killed in war?(totally hyperbolic situation I know, just illustrating a point that folks make their choice for all kinds of reasons, and the labelling of all of his supporters one way can also be discriminatory)
if you enlist in the military, uh the possibility of going to war is kind of par for the course, no?

and Trump will never go to war will he, nope, not in a million years

man, this is a guy who goes to war on Twitter every day!
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