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Old 11-24-2016, 07:04 PM   #621
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yea, i think the native americans might disagree with that definition of "the real america".
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The animals who ruled before them might take exception to their views.
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that's a pretty shitty joke.
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That wasn't your best moment, LN7. And I usually respect your contributions.
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that's a pretty shitty joke.

It wasn't supposed to be "ha ha" funny. I think it's silly to believe one group of humans over another own an identity to a land.

How they were treated was atrocious. But to think natives of this land are even forced to own the title of native "American" speaks enough of a point. Europeans called this America. But that's just semantics. What it means to be American is just semantics. Native Americans shouldn't and wouldn't have a definition of "the real America."
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Rural America is backwards bullshit.

It's not the "real America" even though they like to play themselves off as that. It's white people who don't realize that the rest of the world has moved on without them.

America was built as a land of religious freedom, a land of immigrants. Not a land for pissed off white Christians who can't figure out why things are different.

The real America respects all religions, separates church from state, and is a melting pot of all people. A place where your tired, poor and huddled masses yearning to be free can all live together.

Fuck middle America.




Socialism would honestly do a lot of good. And it's actually what people want.

Yet some weird political voodoo has been going on for 30 years. It's like, "everything is terrible, let's keep voting for the same people who have made everything terrible because abortion and health care premiums."
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That wasn't your best moment, LN7. And I usually respect your contributions.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but there was nothing disrespectful implied. But I stand by my point. The namesake of the land belongs to an interval of time, and America didn't exist until Europeans came and populated it.
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Rural America is backwards bullshit.

It's not the "real America" even though they like to play themselves off as that. It's white people who don't realize that the rest of the world has moved on without them.

America was built as a land of religious freedom, a land of immigrants. Not a land for pissed off white Christians who can't figure out why things are different.

The real America respects all religions, separates church from state, and is a melting pot of all people. A place where your tired, poor and huddled masses yearning to be free can all live together.

Fuck middle America.
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All these rust belt working class Americans that all the lefties and non-American are bashing in here were just fine when they were part of your winning coalition for Clinton in 92, 96 and Obama 08,12. I have a feeling if Hillary and Podesta were smart enough to keep them in the fold ths time aligned against the elitists, GOP nobody would be complaining about them.
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All these rust belt working class Americans that all the lefties and non-American are bashing in here were just fine when they were part of your winning coalition for Clinton in 92, 96 and Obama 08,12. I have a feeling if Hillary and Podesta were smart enough to keep them in the fold ths time aligned against the elitists, GOP


No, most of us think that the white working class has been culturally regressive for quite some time. Now they are in the midst of committing suicide -- and obviously if they had, you know, *voted in their best interests* everyone would have been "fine" with them because they wouldn't have elected the worst possible American to the Oval Office. The issues they face will have to be confronted no matter who was elected, and the person elected played them for fools.

Can we also stop with the word "elites." It's a bullshit term, and as Gore Vidal once said, "used to describe anyone who reads the New York Times without mouthing the words."
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All these rust belt working class Americans that all the lefties and non-American are bashing in here were just fine when they were part of your winning coalition for Clinton in 92, 96 and Obama 08,12. I have a feeling if Hillary and Podesta were smart enough to keep them in the fold ths time aligned against the elitists, GOP nobody would be complaining about them.
Show me where I'm 'bashing' working class Americans.
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All these rust belt working class Americans that all the lefties and non-American are bashing in here were just fine when they were part of your winning coalition for Clinton in 92, 96 and Obama 08,12. I have a feeling if Hillary and Podesta were smart enough to keep them in the fold ths time aligned against the elitists, GOP nobody would be complaining about them.
Oh my bad, I didn't realize white folk from rural America were the only ones who were a part of the "working class"
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Can we also stop with the word "elites." It's a bullshit term, and as Gore Vidal once said, "used to describe anyone who reads the New York Times without mouthing the words."
only if we agree to also stop with the word "fascist".

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...but if Trump continues to fail on, like, nearly every single big promise he made to them, I won't deny getting some sort of smug satisfaction out of it. Course, at the same time, I'll also be nervous, because if his supporters get angry because Trump didn't do what they wanted, they'll likely just find somebody else to pin all their hopes and dreams on, somebody who might actually not be afraid to go that far with the sort of craziness Trump promised. And that would be terrifying.
for this exact reason.
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Trump General Discusion II

It would be terrible if Trump were to lose another election by another 2m votes and still remain in power. It would also be terrible if his party were to control all three branches of government and 2-3 more SCOTUS seats. It's totally normal for him to call any outcome other than his victory "rigged." That's just par for the course in a modern, Western democracy.
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Rural America is backwards bullshit.

It's not the "real America" even though they like to play themselves off as that. It's white people who don't realize that the rest of the world has moved on without them.

America was built as a land of religious freedom, a land of immigrants. Not a land for pissed off white Christians who can't figure out why things are different.

The real America respects all religions, separates church from state, and is a melting pot of all people. A place where your tired, poor and huddled masses yearning to be free can all live together.

Fuck middle America.

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I understand the scepticism re recounts etc. But there has been some really weird stuff this election.
1. Clinton camp emails hacked and hacked again, then being used to aide her opposition.
2. Trump's campaign running a series of false promises so blatant it seemed like a bad movie.
3. First candidate in decades to refuse to release tax returns, thereby eliminating transparency in that candidate's dealings and interests.
4. FBI announcement within 2 weeks of election, then again within a few days.
5. Constant and unprecedented talk from Trump re rigged voting, voter fraud, not necessarily accepting the outcome etc, leading Dems to loudly declare the necessity of accepting the outcome.
6. Huge win by Clinton in total votes.
7. Strong showing in Texas by Clinton, suggesting that state's changing demographics but also indicating Clinton was not so horrid after all.
8. Trump's win coming via a series of close and largely unexpected swing state and rust belt wins.

I'm sure there's a higher chance all is legit and as it seems than there is some conspiracy, but consider this for a minute: if there has been foreign meddling in this election resulting in a win for Trump, that is an absolutely massive strike by a foreign power against the United States. Consider the lives, dollars and political capital the US has spent defending itself over the last 70 years. But with this, not a murmur? Not one person in the world was able to hack Trump's email? Not one US security expert was able to verify whether foreign interests were playing a role?
Now the vote is weirdly weirdly off, with Clinton thumping Trump in the overall vote but narrowly losing those swing states...
I dunno. Just feels off.

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I'm sure there's a higher chance all is legit and as it seems than there is some conspiracy, but consider this for a minute: if there has been foreign meddling in this election resulting in a win for Trump, that is an absolutely massive strike by a foreign power against the United States. Consider the lives, dollars and political capital the US has spent defending itself over the last 70 years. But with this, not a murmur?
Although the result is undeniably awful, this is reminiscent of what the US have done to other countries themselves in the past (and still do today). It's just so odd though to even imagine the possibility of it happening to the US.
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I'm sure there's a higher chance all is legit and as it seems than there is some conspiracy
As I mentioned before, from what I've read, the odds of her losing by the amount she did in the number of states she did, that she was predicted to win, is actually very statistically low.
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As I mentioned before, from what I've read, the odds of her losing by the amount she did in the number of states she did, that she was predicted to win, is actually very statistically low.


If the results were flipped, Trump and the GOP would not accept the outcome.
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