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Old 03-27-2012, 08:27 PM   #141
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The accusation was that he was 'on drugs' or something. Have you never seen anyone that's smoked weed before? Are you telling me you'd be able to tell from a distance in the dark? When people say someone must be 'on drugs', they aren't talking about weed
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This convergence of race-hustlers, media whores, political opportunists, quick-to-judge pundits and assorted agitators is reminding me of the Jena 6 controversy as well as the Duke lacrosse case.
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The school records of a minor are protected by state and federal law. Parents would have to sign a consent form allowing release. So if the police leaked it, whatever their motives might be, or someone at the school was paid off-it was illegal. Even if a minor is deceased, there is plenty of precedent that allows for those records to remain legally private. He was never arrested and never charged with anything criminally.
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Old 03-28-2012, 09:45 AM   #144
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This convergence of race-hustlers, media whores, political opportunists, quick-to-judge pundits and assorted agitators is reminding me of the Jena 6 controversy as well as the Duke lacrosse case.
You mean Michael Savage, Michelle Mauckin, Laura Inghram and Rush?

Yeah, I agree.
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i think this is even more of an issue about guns.
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i think this is even more of an issue about guns.
Guns and the insane laws that gun lobbyist have been able to put on the books.
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the problem is we don't know the majority of facts, we only know assumptions made by the press, who slant the story to fit whatever will get the most ratings... so they call an apartment complex a "gated community" and call a hispanic person "white hispanic" as to make the story more outrageous than it needs to be... then those on the right get annoyed at that side and start to assassinate the character of a 17 year old kid, who we know nothing more about than that he got in trouble in high school... how many of us didn't get in trouble in high school?

the likely story is that a douchebag racist hispanic neighborhood watch wanna-be cop decided to take matters in his own hands, picked a kid who wasn't scared and would run away, got into a tussle, and shot him. that's tragic enough in it's own right... it doesn't need to be inflamed by the media anymore than that.

there's only one fact that we really know... this kid shouldn't be dead.
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i think this is even more of an issue about guns.

Well he was carrying that legally. His background of "run ins" with the law wasn't enough to prevent that. Why a neighborhood watch guy was "patrolling" with a gun, well I think that might be the real problem. That doesn't sound like it would be standard practice.

With any crime or situation like this that escalates, if that's what happened here, people could bring up the general issue of abundance and availability of guns.
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i think this is even more of an issue about guns.



we've got too many people who treat the constitution the same way that religious wackos treat the bible or the quran... as it's the word, unchangeable, couldn't possibly be wrong, must live by it 100%.

the founding fathers designed it to be a living, breathing document. not the word of god.
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Well he was carrying that legally. His background of "run ins" with the law wasn't enough to prevent that. Why a neighborhood watch guy was "patrolling" with a gun, well I think that might be the real problem. That doesn't sound like it would be standard practice.
While in Florida, I saw just a bit of a front page article on a local paper that mentioned it was not part of the neighborhood watch procedure/rules to patrol with a gun.

(Full disclosure: I didn't read the full article, but from the bit I saw, I think I have that right.)
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All these other "revelations" about...Trayvon attacking Zimmerman don't mean a hell of a lot to me.
They shouldn't matter, but unfortunately the fact that that's Zimmerman's story will matter a great deal legally, particularly since there were apparently no eyewitnesses to the initial physical confrontation. It won't matter that Zimmerman gave Martin good cause to fear he meant him harm by chasing him, if it can't be disproven beyond a reasonable doubt that A) he'd subsequently abandoned the chase and retreated before Martin allegedly attacked him and B) Martin's attack gave him reasonable cause to believe death or grave bodily harm to himself was imminent. That's just a pessimistic comment on what seems likely legally, not on what the case more broadly represents concerning racial profiling and bias, or gun control and the culture of vigilantism.
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I am always annoyed when Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson show up. In general, they don't help.
There was some discussion about this among the group of people we attended the Indy protest with. I think there might be a couple things going on there; on an obvious level there's the problem that both men, especially Sharpton, are widely seen as controversial, but I think there might also be some amount of cultural disconnect concerning whether and when it's desirable for protests to have perceived "leaders" at all. I'm not really sure what to make of the latter idea, kind of wish I'd prodded some of the people expressing that to unpack it more.
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the founding fathers designed it to be a living, breathing document. not the word of god.
Problem is that's not how it's generally been interpreted by US courts. The "living tree" doctrine is something you'll see referred to by the Canadian Supreme Court almost as a matter of doctrine, but the same just can't be said south of the border.

I'd love to dabble in constitutional law someday, just fascinating.
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I want to see justice and due process prevail but since this is now turned into another circus... might as well have some clowns !!

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The whole hoodie thing seems like a lame attempt to latch onto some sort of symbol where there wasn't one. Who would've thought Geraldo's voice carried such gravitas?
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Geraldo said that in response to hoodies (and Skittles, though he didn't mention those) becoming symbols at protests, not the other way around. No one thinks either item has much of anything to do with why Trayvon Martin was shot. It's just an image people can relate to, that's a common protest tactic.
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Old 03-28-2012, 06:10 PM   #156
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No one thinks either item has much of anything to do with why Trayvon Martin was shot.
Which is why it's so lame
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Apparently the lead investigator on the night of the incident was not convinced with Zimmerman's account and wanted him arrested and charged with manslaughter:

Trayvon Martin lead investigator wanted George Zimmerman arrested the night of the fatal shooting - Crimesider - CBS News

Just heard this reported on NPR a few minutes ago as well.

Edit: Oops, sorry MrsS, didn't see you'd posted this a page back.
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Old 03-28-2012, 07:08 PM   #158
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Hold on.... Zimmerman is 28??? My god, man
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Hmm, certainly doesn't look beat up

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Well that is very telling. You are right Jive. It doesn't look like someone who just had his head bashed into the pavement.
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