Jive Turkey
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Minored in school, and took an elective that was forensic audio.
I'm sure your elective makes you just as qualified for this as mine does at being an astrophysicist
Minored in school, and took an elective that was forensic audio.
Go ahead and read my other posts
You really think "well, maybe he was blocking the way back to his Mom's house' would stand up in court?? C'mon man. And I'm not picking on Yolland (Yolland is awesome), it was just the most recent
I have no clue what you are going on about. Who is arguing this?
Well at least one 911 call mentioned that there were men wrestling, so that part has been in the narrative since the begining, so I have no clue as to why you're asking this.So what would the screaming have been about?
I'm sure your elective makes you just as qualified for this as mine does at being an astrophysicist
but you keep pretending that this is all somehow being made up out of thin air.
But there have been several experts that say this argument is possible and that if you can prove it's too far off from Zimmerman's voice patterns and you can give enough testimony that these characteristics were made by a younger voice then it gives doubt to it being Zimmerman.
Oh for fuck sake, that's why I said "a little" and didn't call myself an expert by any means. You're acting like you're arguing with diamond.
Jive Turkey said:Fair. But if if if. As far as I can tell, no one has done it yet, but you seem to have already decided for yourself
You really think "well, maybe he was blocking the way back to his Mom's house' would stand up in court??
Whoa, you're really misreading where I was coming from. I said I thought Zimmerman's story really strains credulity, not that I assume it's outside the realm of all possibility. Of course it's possible. I didn't say anything about what I thought would "hold up in court" (if this case ever makes it there, which is the whole point of the protests); anyway, Martin wouldn't be the one being asked to justify his actions in court. And like everyone else following the story, I've seen probably a dozen photos of Trayvon Martin by this point; I'm well aware they're from different times. I'm not the type to make assumptions about someone's character, let alone behavior in a given situation, just because mom has a cute old snapshot to produce.But to make assumptions like 'well, he ran at first, so he wouldn't have changed his mind and decided to confront Zimmerman' or 'Maybe Zimmerman was blocking his way back to his Mom's house and looked like he was lying in wait' have no basis in anything. Just because the guy initially ran doesn't mean that he couldn't have turned back around.
You guys are making all kinds of assumptions about this kid's actions based on what is allegedly a 5 year old photo of him. For all we know, he was an asshole. (just as Zimmerman could very well be an asshole)
Whoa, you're really misreading where I was coming from. I said I thought Zimmerman's story really strains credulity, not that I assume it's outside the realm of all possibility. Of course it's possible. I didn't say anything about what I thought would "hold up in court" (if this case ever makes it there, which is the whole point of the protests); anyway, Martin wouldn't be the one being asked to justify his actions in court. And like everyone else following the story, I've seen probably a dozen photos of Trayvon Martin by this point; I'm well aware they're from different times. I'm not the type to make assumptions about someone's character, let alone behavior in a given situation, just because mom has a cute old snapshot to produce.
Even the borderline libelous thread title rubs me the wrong way
I agree. Some person following you in a non police vehicle, in the dark (I'm assuming it was completely dark). That neighbor of Zimmerman's who keeps defending him on tv, he said that all that Trayvon had to do was give him his name and justify his presence there, I guess, by saying what he was doing there. Like lawyers have said on tv, you don't even have to give that info to a police officer per the US Constitution. I've had an experience being harassed by a cop while just walking down a street and I regretfully gave him my name, only because I know how some of them tend to react when you refuse to follow their "orders". Small town cops with nothing else to do.
Anyway, the whole pot thing..and apparently his Facebook page had some photos that some people are calling "menacing" that have been taken down. I know nothing about the accuracy of that. One thing I read said he had gold teeth? Apparently that makes you a thug and a criminal.
What could have avoided the whole thing was Zimmerman backing off and not following Trayvon, like he was instructed to do.
That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say. There have been no reports that a witness saw the initial punch Zimmerman told police about.
On Feb. 26, when Zimmerman first spotted Trayvon, he called police and reported a suspicious person, describing Trayvon as black, acting strangely and perhaps on drugs.
Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.
For me the only real game changers would be if:
a) It comes to light that Trayvon really was up to criminal activity at the time
b) It comes to light that Travyon was actually armed as well.
All these other "revelations" about Trayvon and his suspension, and Trayvon attacking Zimmerman don't mean a hell of a lot to me.
For me the only real game changers would be if:
a) It comes to light that Trayvon really was up to criminal activity at the time
b) It comes to light that Travyon was actually armed as well.
All these other "revelations" about Trayvon and his suspension, and Trayvon attacking Zimmerman don't mean a hell of a lot to me.
Trayvon and his suspension
This convergence of race-hustlers, media whores, political opportunists, quick-to-judge pundits and assorted agitators is reminding me of the Jena 6 controversy as well as the Duke lacrosse case.
Irvine511 said:i think this is even more of an issue about guns.
i think this is even more of an issue about guns.
i think this is even more of an issue about guns.
Well he was carrying that legally. His background of "run ins" with the law wasn't enough to prevent that. Why a neighborhood watch guy was "patrolling" with a gun, well I think that might be the real problem. That doesn't sound like it would be standard practice.