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Old 03-23-2012, 10:13 PM   #81
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"If I had a son he would look like George Zimmerman."
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I got into it with someone (not on this forum) who was basically defending Zimmerman and say if Martin didn't dress in a "punk ass hoodie" then this wouldn't have happened. He said he wasn't going to "play the race card but..." Generally when I hear someone say that, they're going to place the race card. He went on to to say that had he been Zimmerman, if he saw black males in hoodies he would ask why they were there... I asked if he would confront them if they were white males in hoodies.. no response.

My heart goes out to Trayvon's parents and friends. How horrible... and that law needs to go the way of the dinosaur.
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Sounds like a fountain of intelligent thought, that guy you were debating with. Sheesh.
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I read in the paper that Zimmerman's dad claimed his son isn't racist. Because he has a lot of black friends.


Now where have I heard that argument before.....
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How can America claim to be civilized when citizens are allowed to kill each other?
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What the President said, I thought it was beautiful. Newt was taking a huge leap in twisting his words there, and I'm just so tired of his bs. He's such an ass.
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He said he wasn't going to "play the race card but..."
whenever anyone says anything negative, but...it means exactly the opposite. "i'm not racist, but..." "i'm not homophobic, but..." and yet these comments are always followed by, shockingly, racist and homophobic comments. they seem to think by prefacing it with that, that it somehow excuses comments like that.
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The killing of Trayvon Martin was only the most infamous Florida homicide complicated by the legal insanity known as “Stand Your Ground.”
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Like Trayvon Martin, Pedro Roteta was pursued down a city street by his killer. On Jan. 25, Roteta had apparently been trying to steal the radio from a truck owned by Greyston Garcia, parked outside his apartment in southwest Miami. Truck burglary’s a crime of course, but not a capital case. Not before 2005.

Garcia grabbed a large knife and chased the 26-year-old Roteta down the block. He caught up with Roteta, who was unarmed except for an unopened pocketknife in his pocket, and stabbed him to death. The confrontation was captured on a surveillance video. Miami police were not nearly as cautious as the cops in Sanford. Garcia was arrested and charged with second-degree murder. But under the peculiarities of the stand-your-ground statute, the case never went to trial. [Miami-Dade Circuit Judge Beth] Bloom decided Wednesday that Garcia was immune from prosecution. This aspect of the law drives prosecutors to distraction. The Florida Supreme Court, trying to sort out the ineptly written law (a piece of boilerplate legislation contrived by the NRA) ruled that the immunity conferred by stand-your-ground was for a judge, not a jury, to decide. Judge Bloom decided, under the squishy language of the statute, that Garcia “reasonably believed it is necessary” to use deadly force “to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”
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Stand Your Ground preempted any thought of prosecuting a former Broward County deputy sheriff who pumped four rounds into an aggressive panhandler outside a Miami Lakes ice cream parlor in January.

The month before, Broward Circuit Judge Ilona Holmes bypassed a jury and acquitted Nour Badi Jarkas, 54, of Plantation, who had shot his estranged wife’s boyfriend four times inside her house in 2009. Judge Holmes cited Stand Your Ground, saying, “nothing was presented...to rebut the reasonableness of the fear that [Jarkas] testified that he had.”

In 2009, after two FPL [Florida Power & Light Company] workers, in their blue shirts and pith helmets, approached Ernesto Che Vino’s mobile home in Northwest Miami-Dade to shut off the juice, Vino came storming out of the house with his rifle, cuffing one of the workers on the head then firing shots as the two ran for their truck. Miami-Dade Circuit Judge John W. Thornton, “following the dictates of Stand Your Ground,” decided that Vino’s claim that he feared for his life was not unreasonable. He tossed two counts of armed assault and one count of improper exhibition of a firearm.

Essentially, the law requires a judge to read the mind of any assailant who claims self-defense, no matter how outrageous the circumstances. Jurors, of course, would do a fine job of sorting out truly reasonable fears from all this hokum. No mind reading required.
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It’s not as if prior to 2005 prosecutors were ringing up convictions on innocent self-defense claimants. In 1986, in South Florida’s most famous case of self-defence, a Miami-Dade grand jury refused to indict Prentice Rasheed, a crime-weary Overtown merchant who had booby-trapped his shop windows and managed to electrocute a burglar. Rather than a criminal defendant, Rasheed became a local folk hero. Nor was there a public outcry to loosen the definition of self defense back in 2005. The law was just another of a series of overreaching and dangerous statutes passed in homage to the National Rifle Association. Some 23 other states have passed variations of Stand Your Ground. The NRA is pushing the law in other states, but perhaps the Trayvon Martin tragedy will slow the gun lobby’s momentum.

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Chances state lawmakers will strike the deadly force law from the books: Nil. Chances it will be amended: Slight. Chances the NRA will get to boast of a win: High.
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In the past decade, the NRA successfully took on: the Florida Chamber of Commerce over the right to allow employees to store locked guns in the cars at workplace parking lots; police departments that compiled data on firearms purchases at pawn shops; adoption agencies that would ask prospective parents about guns; environmentalists who wanted to sue over gun-range lead clean-up; local governments that want to regulate guns; doctors who ask patients about firearms, and colleges that ban firearms on campus. The college gun law is its only [Florida] legislative loss—for now.

Trayvon’s hometown senator, Miami Gardens Democrat Oscar Braynon, is bringing the fight to the NRA—a rarity in the state Capitol—by simply asking for legislative hearings into Stand Your Ground. The senator also wants the law changed to make sure that a suspect can’t be immune from arrest if he pursues another, provokes a confrontation and then uses force. That could have happened in Trayvon’s Feb. 26 shooting death by neighbor George Zimmerman.
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The law’s authors say the police are misconstruing Stand Your Ground. But Rep. Dennis Baxley said he doesn’t want the law touched. “There’s nothing in the law that says you can pursue and confront people,” said Baxley, R-Ocala. “There’s nothing to clarify.”

The NRA’s lead lobbyist, Marion Hammer, has praised the law for giving citizens the right to defend themselves. “It has become very emotional and political,” she told the Tallahassee Democrat. “Politicians who say we need to rewrite the law are politically grandstanding.” She also has decried the “rush to judgment” and the use of “one incident” to change the law.

Hammer is an expert in just that type of emotional politics where one anecdote leads to a wholesale change in law. In 2005, for instance, she got the Stand Your Ground law passed based on just one case, that of 77 year-old James Workman. He shot and killed an intruder in his hurricane-ravaged home near Pensacola. Workman was never charged. The state attorney specifically said Workman had a right to defend himself on his property—a concept known as the “Castle Doctrine,” a reference to the old saying that “a man’s home is his castle.” But Hammer persuaded legislators that citizens needed to have the doctrine enshrined in statute. And they decided to expand the right to use deadly force almost anywhere a person feels reasonably threatened.


Hammer’s successes are a result of her tenacity and the fact that gun owners are passionate. They email. And they vote.

In nearly every debate, gun-control advocates have predicted “blood in the streets” and a “wild West” atmosphere. But violent crime has fallen 19% in Florida and firearm crimes have declined 9% between 2005 and 2010 (the most recent year for which crime data is fully available). Still, murders increased overall by 12%--to 987--and the reports of justifiable homicides have tripled, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

Braynon is up against more than just the NRA. There’s a cultural divide between the constituents of rural white representatives like Baxley and the constituents of urban black senators like Braynon, who are outnumbered in the Legislature. “For many of the people in my district, only criminals and police carry guns,” he said. “In North Florida, it’s a whole different story.”
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In the past decade, the NRA successfully took on: the Florida Chamber of Commerce over the right to allow employees to store locked guns in the cars at workplace parking lots; police departments that compiled data on firearms purchases at pawn shops; adoption agencies that would ask prospective parents about guns; environmentalists who wanted to sue over gun-range lead clean-up; local governments that want to regulate guns; doctors who ask patients about firearms, and colleges that ban firearms on campus. The college gun law is its only [Florida] legislative loss—for now.
I'm staying the hell away from Florida. Good god.

Those things you shared perfectly illustrate the illogical nature of this law. "Self-defense" can be used in the absolute loosest of terms with this. There are indeed times when it's perfectly acceptable to fight back. If someone is grabbing me and trying to kidnap me, for instance, hell, yes, I'm using every method possible to get them to stop.

But if I were to just go around attacking every man who I think might pose even the slightest of threats, that would be...well, insane.
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My god, just reading all these cases makes me sick. How on earth did this moronic law ever passed?
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It's interesting the attack and the spin that some are putting on this story. The marijuana story means nothing to this story unless they can show he was high at the time. And the story of him going after Zimmerman doesn't seem to really add up with the 911 calls and seems fishy coming out so late.
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Yeah, I just read a thing about Zimmerman's take on it all. Even if his version was what happened, it still sounds like he started the whole thing by going after the guy in the first place. Most people would react if someone just started following them for no specific reason.
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Even if his version was what happened, it still sounds like he started the whole thing by going after the guy in the first place. Most people would react if someone just started following them for no specific reason.
I agree. Some person following you in a non police vehicle, in the dark (I'm assuming it was completely dark). That neighbor of Zimmerman's who keeps defending him on tv, he said that all that Trayvon had to do was give him his name and justify his presence there, I guess, by saying what he was doing there. Like lawyers have said on tv, you don't even have to give that info to a police officer per the US Constitution. I've had an experience being harassed by a cop while just walking down a street and I regretfully gave him my name, only because I know how some of them tend to react when you refuse to follow their "orders". Small town cops with nothing else to do.

Anyway, the whole pot thing..and apparently his Facebook page had some photos that some people are calling "menacing" that have been taken down. I know nothing about the accuracy of that. One thing I read said he had gold teeth? Apparently that makes you a thug and a criminal.

What could have avoided the whole thing was Zimmerman backing off and not following Trayvon, like he was instructed to do.
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I've been in Florida since Thursday, and thankfully have not been shot. Even while wearing my black hoodie. Phew.
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Yeah, someone at work was telling me about this pot thing last night. I have no idea what's going on with that, could someone direct me to a link, if I missed one, or please post one?
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This case is bringing out all the worst in this country. I'm afraid it's only going to get worse in regards to public reaction and divide us more.

Zimmerman should have never followed him, especially after being told it wasn't necessary. It forced a reaction from Martin, and from the sounds of it, a defensive/violent one.

That put Zimmerman back on the defensive, and by law he was within his right to shoot Martin.

I am not saying he should have shot him, I'm just saying that according to the law, Zimmerman felt he was in a position to have to defend his life, and felt it was necessary to use his gun.

That's just messed up and we haven't even brought race or the age difference into the equation.

I'm concerned that if Zimmerman isn't put away, there will be potential for race riots, and further violence.
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Yeah, someone at work was telling me about this pot thing last night. I have no idea what's going on with that, could someone direct me to a link, if I missed one, or please post one?
I don't have a link, but what I heard is that Martin was suspended from school for having pot? Not really a big deal, and just a means for those *racists* to show that Martin was a gangsta, and deserved to be shot!!

OMGZ!!! He smoked Pot!! See, he was up to no good that night!!!!!

I don't care if he smoked weed, listened to rap, had gold teeth, a million tattoos, he did nothing wrong that night to provoke Zimmerman except be a black teenager in a gated community.
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I am not saying he should have shot him, I'm just saying that according to the law, Zimmerman felt he was in a position to have to defend his life, and felt it was necessary to use his gun.

And that's why that law is so fed up. It's something about reasonably believing that your life is at stake. How do you precisely define that? It just seems so open ended and subjective to me. Since FL passed that law, "justified killings" have gone up almost threefold. That's one stat that I saw somewhere on the news. I think they've got to get rid of that law.

The police also let him leave with the clothes he was wearing, so any evidence from his clothing is gone.





From yesterday's Orlando Sentinel



With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk, leaving him bloody and battered, law-enforcement authorities told the Orlando Sentinel.

That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say. There have been no reports that a witness saw the initial punch Zimmerman told police about.

Zimmerman has not spoken publicly about what happened Feb. 26. But that night, and in later meetings, he described and re-enacted for police what he says took place.

In his version of events, Zimmerman had turned around and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from behind, the two exchanged words and then Trayvon punched him in the nose, sending him to the ground, and began beating him.

Zimmerman told police he shot the teenager in self-defense.

Civil-rights leaders and more than a million other people have demanded Zimmerman's arrest, calling Trayvon a victim of racial profiling and suggesting Zimmerman is a vigilante.

Trayvon was an unarmed black teenager who had committed no crime, they say, who was gunned down while walking back from a 7-Eleven with nothing more sinister than a package of Skittles and can of Arizona iced tea.

Zimmerman's account

This is what the Sentinel has learned about Zimmerman's account to investigators:

He said he was on his way to the grocery store when he spotted Trayvon walking through his gated community.

Trayvon was visiting his father's fiancée, who lived there. He had been suspended from school in Miami after being found with an empty marijuana baggie. Miami schools have a zero-tolerance policy for drug possession.

Police have been reluctant to provide details about their evidence.

But after the Sentinel story appeared online Monday morning, City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr. issued a news release, saying there would be an internal-affairs investigation into the source of the leak and, if identified, the person or people involved would be disciplined.

He did not challenge the accuracy of the information.

At a Monday news conference, Trayvon's mother, father and their lawyers called the report that their son was suspended from school because of a marijuana baggie irrelevant and needlessly hurtful.

Trayvon's father, Tracy Martin, said "even in death, they are still disrespecting my son, and I feel that that's a sin."

His mother, Sybrina Fulton, said, "They killed my son, and now they're trying to kill his reputation."

Supporters have held rallies in Sanford, Miami, New York and Tallahassee, calling the case a tragic miscarriage of justice.

Civil-rights activist the Rev. Al Sharpton headlined a rally in Sanford on Thursday that drew an estimated 8,000 people. The Rev. Jesse Jackson on Sunday spoke at an Eatonville church, where he called Trayvon a martyr.

Zimmerman has gone into hiding. A fringe group, the New Black Panther Party, has offered a $10,000 reward for his "capture."

One-minute gap

On Feb. 26, when Zimmerman first spotted Trayvon, he called police and reported a suspicious person, describing Trayvon as black, acting strangely and perhaps on drugs.

Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.

There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they're not sure what happened.

Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.

Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police.

Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.

Zimmerman began yelling for help.

Several witnesses heard those cries, and there has been a dispute about whether they came from Zimmerman or Trayvon.

Lawyers for Trayvon's family say it was Trayvon, but police say their evidence indicates it was Zimmerman.

One witness, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him — and was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.

Zimmerman then shot Trayvon once in the chest at very close range, according to authorities.

When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a swollen lip and had bloody lacerations to the back of his head.

Paramedics gave him first aid but he said he did not need to go to the hospital. He got medical care the next day.
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This story doesn't really seem to add up. So Zimmerman who was ready to play lone ranger some how gave up and nonchalantly retreated? Only to get knocked out with one punch? And then the crying out for help; one it sounded like a much younger voice, and two it didn't sound like someone who was being sat on and being pummeled. Now I would assume with audio forensics this should be fairly simple to "prove". But then after all of this Zimmerman then has the ability to grab his gun and shoot?

We'll never know the full story, but something doesn't add up with his account. Plus wouldn't you want to release this police report and witness in order to help Zimmerman's and the Police departments case, rather than bring up pot use and gold teeth?
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