Trayvon Martin's murderer George Zimmerman is still a free man

[Irvine511]

as America gets fatter and fatter, more and more of us are going to need more guns to protect ourselves when we decide to harass black teenagers.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

The instigation of the fight does not matter when faced with the only question that does... did George Zimmerman fear for his life?

But what if Martin feared for his life?

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by BVS

But what if Martin feared for his life?

Well then he should have had a gun, obviously.

[deep]

Originally Posted by BVS

But what if Martin feared for his life?

why?
Zimmerman is not black, does not look like a "fucking punk (coon), fucking asshole, that always gets away"
Do you think Zimmerman has the natural ability to turn an ordinary sidewalk into a lethal weapon?

[nbcrusader]

Originally Posted by BVS

But what if Martin feared for his life?

Which explains why Martin was on top of Zimmerman?

In today's testimony, a gym owner where Zimmerman trained described Zimmerman's athletic ability, on a scale of 1 to 10, as a "point five".

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by nbcrusader

Which explains why Martin was on top of Zimmerman?

In today's testimony, a gym owner where Zimmerman trained described Zimmerman's athletic ability, on a scale of 1 to 10, as a "point five".

Zimmerman had a gun. That renders his fitness moot. Perhaps Trayvon feared that Zimmerman was going to shoot him?

Notably, Zimmerman has gained 120 lbs in the past year.

That's some good legal counsel.

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Notably, Zimmerman has gained 120 lbs in the past year.

That's some good legal counsel.

Ha! I was thinking the same thing.
But I guess misrepresenting physical attributes of those involved is par for the course in this case

[nbcrusader]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Zimmerman had a gun. That renders his fitness moot. Perhaps Trayvon feared that Zimmerman was going to shoot him?

Notably, Zimmerman has gained 120 lbs in the past year.

That's some good legal counsel.

So, he got on top of him and started pounding his head?

I know the left has convicted him and waived their objections to the death penalty. Perhaps living with this open hostility led to his weight gain?

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by nbcrusader

So, he got on top of him and started pounding his head?

I know the left has convicted him and waived their objections to the death penalty. Perhaps living with this open hostility led to his weight gain?

Well, gee, if we're going to play that game, I suppose the right loves it whenever an unarmed black teenager get shot?

If I were in a struggle with someone who was armed, I'd for sure do what I could to make sure I didn't get killed.

All this said, I believe it's entirely possible that Zimmerman is telling the truth. That doesn't mean that it isn't Zimmerman's fault and it also lets us know, again, that guns really do kill people.

My issue here isn't race, though that's impossible to ignore. It's about guns.

Horrible, horrible guns.

[deep]

Originally Posted by nbcrusader

In today's testimony, a gym owner where Zimmerman trained described Zimmerman's athletic ability, on a scale of 1 to 10, as a "point five".

this gym owner, like many of the best friends of Zimmerman are not credible at all, any other gym owner would have said something like, he came in a 2 but we got him up to a 6, not on a 1 to 10, at my gym we get our paying customers in shape to a whopping .5

the .5 comment should have all jurors completely disregarding him as not credible.

[PhilsFan]

Originally Posted by nbcrusader

I know the left has convicted him and waived their objections to the death penalty.

I know you're employing hyperbole, but has anyone actually changed their mind on the death penalty because of this case? I have never wanted the death penalty employed ever.

I personally couldn't care less about the result of this specific trial. It's the Stand Your Ground and gun control laws that concern me and many others.

[Irvine511]

Also, all the liberals in here think he's going to be acquitted.

[deep]

Zimmerman may be acquitted,
but there is no reasonable doubt that he is a killer
O J Simpson's acquittal is more legitimate than any Zimmerman acquittal will be.

[U2DMfan]

To me, this is where the whole case resides...the unbelievable nature of what GZ claims as the struggle was taking place.

So let me get this straight...he wasn't strong enough to even punch back against a skinny seventeen year old kid...but he was suddenly strong enough to wrestle the gun away from that same kid after TM noticed the gun?

Not to mention the idea that GZ said TM didn't reach for the gun until TM saw it and said something ("You're gonna die tonight"...or something a 17 year old kid would SURELY say) and yet GZ said himself that he had it in his BACK waistband. In the dark. And with witnesses saying TM was ON TOP of GZ, beating him.

The idea that TM was going for the gun is paramount to his self-defense case. And correct me if I am wrong, no prints or DNA from TM were found on the gun? And the only real alternative to this is that GZ discreetly acquired the gun. Not to mention the fact that he would be lying about all of that.

Why would TM suddenly want to shoot a man just for following him around anyway?
That's the single thing that has bugged me the most. That TM is suddenly so angry (and if he's high on THC, why is he mad anyway?) that he wants to kill GZ...

I don't know. What a mess.

[maycocksean]

To me it's pretty simple. George Zimmerman acted foolishly, disregarded instructions given him by the police and ended up shooting an unarmed person. I am not bothered by the fact that Trayvon Martin may have attacked him, may have his hit his head on the sidewalk whatever. Trayvon clearly felt threatened, and was reacting to that. I find it puzzling that some people expect him to be some sort of MLK. . .he's a kid. The bottom line is if Zimmerman had left it alone, none of this would have happened.

And I feel that he should be held accountable for that. Unfortunately, it looks unlikely that he will be.

[U2DMfan]

Well, manslaughter of a minor (if it can be added in) in the state of FL is up to 25 years, I believe. That is no slap on the wrist. But the prosecution, according to people such as Alan Dershowitz, really fucked up by over-charging.

I just fundamentally don't believe that Zimmerman was in fear of his life. Period. I don't know why he would have been. I think he just chose to end a fight with a gun because he knew he could, if only subconsciously.

The idea that I'm supposed to believe that GZ was fearful of that kid...and that I am supposed to believe that TM was willing to kill someone (go after the gun) for simply following him. I just don't buy it. And the evidence doesn't conflict with my thinking...I've allowed it to speak to me. I've remained impartial until most recently. Part of me thinks GZ was so shamed by the event (getting beat down) he just over-reacted. And being Mr. Johnny Wannabe Law, he knew what he could plausibly say to the cops afterwards.

Whatever. I just hope there aren't riots after this.

[AEON]

Originally Posted by U2DMfan

Whatever. I just hope there aren't riots after this.

Of course there will be - and the networks will rake it in from the coverage. Both "sides" are fools - nothing more than blinded consumers.

[deep]

I am hearing part of Zimmerman's defense will be that he is non-aggressive because he is vegan.

[AEON]

Originally Posted by deep

I am hearing part of Zimmerman's defense will be that he is non-aggressive because he is vegan.

As a recently converted vegan - I will admit - I'm a bit more patient on the freeway. But I don't think tracking a hooded kid down while packing some heat qualifies one as "non-aggressive".

Judging by the weight gain - I'm guessing he slipped a few baby back ribs into the diet...

[BVS]

Originally Posted by nbcrusader

Which explains why Martin was on top of Zimmerman?

In today's testimony, a gym owner where Zimmerman trained described Zimmerman's athletic ability, on a scale of 1 to 10, as a "point five".

This is exactly why I'm so perplexed by the right media's portrayal of this case. That makes absolutely no sense. Just because some ends up on top(in a fight) doesn't mean they weren't provoked or the aggressor. If it's me against an armed man, damn right I would try everything, and the likelihood that I get out alive may be higher than most since I've been trained, but still the likelihood isn't high. BUT one of the defenses against such an attack is to try and pin their arms, one of the only ways to do so is get on top.

If anyone has been in a fight, or hell even seen a fight knows that the one in advantage may shift throughout the fight. Placing him on top before he was killed, does NOT tell the entire story, and I think we need to stop pretending like it does.