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Old 04-20-2012, 04:22 PM   #321
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The nature of Zimmerman's injuries won't be news to the prosecutors; they've already seen all available police and eyewitness photos of them.
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the only way that martin's death won't be in vain is if it leads to stricter gun laws in the state of florida.
Hard to see how anything less than a concealed carry ban would prevent cases like this, but AFAIK Illinois is the only state to have such a ban statewide, and considering how powerful the NRA and 'gun culture' in general seem to be in FL, I don't see them following IL's lead anytime soon. Revising or dropping their SYG statute would be better than nothing, though.
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:00 PM   #322
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Doesn't quite excuse shooting the kid in the chest with a hollow-point round (aside: why the hell are these kinds of rounds available to the general public?)
I'd like to know the answer to this question, too.

As for any confrontation that happened-if Trayvon did indeed start things, that will be of some help to Zimmerman. Some would argue it probably would have been wise for him to just try and ignore Zimmerman, continue on home, let his dad know the guy was following him, and take things from there. And for his own sake, that's probably what he should have done.

But at the same time, as has been stated in this thread before, if someone's following another person, intentionally, for no logical reason, yeah, most people in that situation are probably going to turn around and ask what the deal is, or they'll quicken their pace and try to get away. Even if Trayvon had just done his best to ignore the guy and keep walking, Zimmerman was on a mission, so who knows what he could've done if he felt Trayvon was purposefully trying to evade him for one reason or another? There could have been a confrontation no matter what.

Again, I love how in some people's eyes, Zimmerman's "just defending himself", but if Trayvon did indeed come at him, he's "causing trouble". Wouldn't Trayvon have had a right to defend himself, too, against someone following him for no reason?
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Old 04-20-2012, 08:50 PM   #323
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or they'll quicken their pace and try to get away.
Which, by Zimmerman's own admission on the 911 tapes, is exactly what Trayvon tried to do.
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Old 04-21-2012, 05:56 PM   #324
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Yesterday's bond hearing sure wasn't the greatest showing for the prosecution; just finished reading the transcript. The investigator clearly wasn't prepared to be questioned by Zimmerman's lawyer, and his answers seemed to give credence to suspicions that there really isn't much more evidence out there beyond what's leaked.
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Old 04-21-2012, 07:40 PM   #325
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If that's the case,he may very well go free in the end, which I guess maybe he should.

Perhaps the real focus needs to be on getting rid of Stand Your Ground rather than getting a conviction of Zimmerman.
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:29 PM   #326
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Wouldn't it have made more sense to charge Zimmerman with voluntary manslaughter? Well actually Florida doesn't seperate voluntary and involuntary so it would just be manslaughter. It would be a hell of a lot easier to convict him of, since it's clear he didn't intend to actually kill him, up until the struggle between the two. Then again I dont know a lot about homicide law.
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Old 04-23-2012, 09:48 AM   #327
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Florida prosecutors don't exactly have the best track record lately. Casey Anthony anyone?

I don't think Zimmerman will be convicted
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i think he's going free, and i think there will be riots. and the fault should lay at the desk of the DA for kowtowing to public and media pressure and over-charging zimmerman. if they had gone for manslaughter, they could probably get a conviction and zimmerman would have spent some time in jail.
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It would be a hell of a lot easier to convict him of, since it's clear he didn't intend to actually kill him, up until the struggle between the two.
I'm not sure how anyone could say it's "CLEAR he didn't intend to actually kill him". We really don't know what he intended. He was a self-imposed neighborhood watch that was carrying a gun. For all we know his intent was anyone who takes a swing at me I'll kill them. We just don't know.

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i think he's going free, and i think there will be riots. and the fault should lay at the desk of the DA for kowtowing to public and media pressure and over-charging zimmerman. if they had gone for manslaughter, they could probably get a conviction and zimmerman would have spent some time in jail.
I agree, I'm shocked by the over-charging. At first I thought the charge must have been the result of info we don't know yet or something in Florida law, but it seems to be just overzealousness.
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I'm not sure how anyone could say it's "CLEAR he didn't intend to actually kill him". We really don't know what he intended. He was a self-imposed neighborhood watch that was carrying a gun. For all we know his intent was anyone who takes a swing at me I'll kill them. We just don't know.
I think if you shoot someone, it should be implied that you were at least willing to accept that it could kill him. There needs to be some sort of inherent responsibility
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Manslaughter is a lesser included offense to second-degree murder; there'd be nothing stopping a jury from convicting Zimmerman of the lesser charge, should they reject both his self-defense claim and the prosecution's attempt to prove murder 2. It's possible they deliberately overcharged in an attempt to bait him into a plea deal; though that's unethical, prosecutors do it all the time, often with strong approval from the community which sees it as "tough on crime."

It's also possible Zimmerman's lawyer could skip SYG altogether and just go for self-defense; while that shifts the burden of proof to the defense, it'd also offer the advantage(?) that Zimmerman wouldn't have to take the stand and submit to cross-examination.
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yes, I agree

looking in here a bit
I had been planning on saying it is not overcharged at all

they can always end up at manslaughter.

I still say Zimmerman the minority American (Latino) is responsible for the unjustified killing of Martin the minority American.

I did see a clip of Zimmerman's court appearance, they must have dubbed it in English. He did not sound or look Latino at all.
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I don't see how the self-defense defense has any credulity, at least with what we know so far, and even with the latest photographic evidence.

According to the 911 tapes, Zimmerman sees a suspicious-looking Martin and decides to follow him. He calls 911, and the dispatcher tells him to cease following Martin. It appears he didn't heed the dispatcher's advice. We don't know much about what happens next.

I don't know what others might do if they were being followed. It's entirely plausible that Martin defended himself, and hit Zimmerman, causing the blood we saw in those photos. In that case, wouldn't Florida's asinine "Stand Your Ground" law kick in for Martin? Where are his rights to defend himself?

I think Zimmerman walks.
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It appears he didn't heed the dispatcher's advice.
Not according to his story, though. He claims he was dutifully retreating to his vehicle when Martin returned to confront and attack him. And Corey's investigator said at the bond hearing that they have no evidence to disprove that. If you could get a jury to accept Zimmerman's claim of retreat, as well as his claims about the level of force Martin used against him, then you'd have the makings of a solid self-defense case.
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Right, I haven't been following it that closely.
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So he's raised over 200 grand through that web site but he's broke
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Old 05-18-2012, 08:08 PM   #337
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Really, no comments on the medical examiner's report on Mr Zimmerman's injuries.

No comments on the marijuana found in Mr Martin's bloodstream.

No comments on the surveillance video of Mr Martin buying his candy.

Have we lost interest as the narrative moves from a hate crime to a confrontation that ended with one of the parties tragically shot dead?
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I think we've already addressed the marijuana (unless there's a new story related to that that we haven't heard yet) and injuries in this thread. I haven't heard anything about the surveillance video of him buying the candy, so I can't comment on that.
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so then you make comments on them. no one's stopping you.
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I've been hearing a lot of new information lately, but hadn't heard about the surveillance video...
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