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Old 02-03-2008, 05:09 PM   #61
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Terrorist loving conservatives...


what's genuinely frightening, though, is that his refusal to torture people is one of the biggest problems the Republican elite -- Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh, others -- have with McCain.
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This alone should scare the shit out of anyone who even for a minute thinks torture is acceptable for any reason.
Not when the person on the recieving end is a Muslim or an infidel who are commiting a crime by not kowtowing to God.
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Not when the person on the recieving end is a Muslim or an infidel who are commiting a crime by not kowtowing to God.


true enough.

and were the power shifted, and said Muslim terrorist were doing the torturing, he's be using the EXACT same series of rationalizations in his own mind that 286whatever has used.
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Not when the person on the recieving end is a Muslim or an infidel who are commiting a crime by not kowtowing to God.
I know.
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Old 02-03-2008, 05:15 PM   #65
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true enough.

and were the power shifted, and said Muslim terrorist were doing the torturing, he's be using the EXACT same series of rationalizations in his own mind that 286whatever has used.
I doubt it, the waterboarding was done in 4 cases on top prisoners like KSM, it was more utilitarian than faith based.

Wait, for that poster you are exactly right.
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I doubt it, the waterboarding was done in 4 cases on top prisoners like KSM, it was more utilitarian than faith based.


i'm comparing 286whatever to the theoretical Muslim terrorist.

he invoked God. i think the only invoking of God in these cases were by the tortured man shoulding that name out loud.
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you're right. we're no better than them. we obviously have no moral high ground, we have nothing to defend, we aren't any different. we just have to kill them first.

Moral high ground? You think an attitude of "moral high ground" will affect Al-Qaeda at all? You fight fire with fire. Give them a taste of their own medicine.

No, you're right though. If we just act moral, they'll leave us alone.

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you do realize that your boy, John McCain, is AGAINST waterboarding?
Yes, I'm well aware, Irvine5whatever.

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i'm comparing 286whatever to the theoretical Muslim terrorist.
Thanks for the comparison, Irvine5whatever. I'll remember that.

So, just for the record, let me get this straight:

Comparing a poster in here to a terrorist... ok
Calling President Bush a terrorist... ok
Pointing out a similarity between Barack Obama and Adolf Hitler... NOT ok

Gotcha

Anywho, I'm done with the particular topic. There's no point in continuing, especially getting quadruple-teamed and being compared to a terrorist.
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Give them a taste of their own medicine.

Yeah! Kick their ass!

Oh, wait. You're not signed up to kick anybody's ass yet, are you.
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Moral high ground? You think an attitude of "moral high ground" will affect Al-Qaeda at all? You fight fire with fire. Give them a taste of their own medicine.

No, you're right though. If we just act moral, they'll leave us alone.



I didn't post that. Learn how to quote someone.

And no one is saying that taking the higher moral ground will affect Al Quada. It's doing the right thing, and it does affect the rest of the world watching us...

Something Jesus taught me. Remember when he placed the ear back on his enemy?
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I didn't post that. Learn how to quote someone.

You're right. My fault.
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You can't prove the person you've captured is a terrorist.
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We will never get a real answer on this, let's move on...
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You can't prove the person you've captured is a terrorist.
Khalid Sheik Mohammed? He is hardly some random "man of middle eastern appearance" off the street.
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Khalid Sheik Mohammed? He is hardly some random "man of middle eastern appearance" off the street.
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To be honest, that's a really tough one.
One can still be a Christian and recognize that Samson was hardly a hero--he was a deeply flawed, selfish man. The entire book of Judges if full of people who supposedly served God but were of highly questionable moral character--to put it lightly.

The difficulties of the rough-and-tumble times of the Old Testament aside; the Christian stance is made crystal clear by the man for who Christians are named--Jesus Christ.

I don't recall him making any exceptions in the turn the other cheek rule; I don't recall him expressing his toleration for violence against the bad guys.

If you want to support torture, fine--but have the guts to admitt that this is an area where your faith falls short. You know your faith calls you to love you enemies and do good to those that hurt you, but you don't want to do that--you can't do that. Don't try to bend and twist the Man who was tortured--to death by the way--to fit your point of view.

Apologies to those who are not Christians on the thread--this is not addressed to you.
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Khalid Sheik Mohammed? He is hardly some random "man of middle eastern appearance" off the street.
Our law system has trials, and even in those trials, it's only "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt," not "guilty with absolute certainty." These people aren't even getting to the trial process.
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Clever. Well done.
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Our law system has trials, and even in those trials, it's only "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt," not "guilty with absolute certainty." These people aren't even getting to the trial process.
For citizens of our country, not terrorists or enemy combatants.
They shouldn't expect to have the same rights as USA citizens, nor do they, only the liberal left is trying to foist it upon them.

This is why you can argue that modern liberalism is a mental disorder.

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For citizens of our country, not terrorists or enemy combatants.


honey, i know you don't want to know this, but our President Bush has given himself the power to detain American citizens indefinitely, and to waterboard them. it all happens at his discretion.
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