Torture/Waterboarding: Discussion/Debate Thread

[phillyfan26]

You. Can't. Prove. It.

You can't prove the person you've captured is a terrorist.

[deep]

Originally posted by 2861U2

Look, I obviously would never condone waterboarding my friend who owes me 5 bucks,

Do some people in here feel sorry for waterboarded terrorists?

Five bucks?

Probably not.

How about a thousand or ten grand?

Now, that is some serious money.




I think anyone that is against it 100%
is just be a softie, and may feel sorry for terrorists getting harsh treatment.


That is one reason why W is qualified to be Commander and Chief
and Obama may not have the stomach for the job.

[deep]

Originally posted by 2861U2


Well yes, there's obviously a difference between believing in the stories in the Bible and supporting every single action in the Bible.

Do you support the actions of Samson?

[deep]

Originally posted by anitram
I find most of the old testament to be quite grotesque.

There are many not so nice stories in the New Testament also.

[BVS]

Originally posted by 2861U2


Well that's the belief that I seem to be getting among some here.

Well, then you are wrong.

[anitram]

Originally posted by deep


There are many not so nice stories in the New Testament also.

Yes, indeed. Although the violence of the old testament is largely gone (replaced by other issues, maybe).

[BVS]

Originally posted by 2861U2


Look up. That's my point flying over your head.

Nice try, but it doesn't work that way.

Torture and "nothing done to stop Hitler" aren't even comparable.

NO ONE, let me repeat, NO ONE is suggesting not doing anything. So don't be so sloppy with your analogies.

[2861U2]

Originally posted by deep


Do you support the actions of Samson?

To be honest, that's a really tough one.

[deep]

Originally posted by 2861U2
To be honest, that's a really tough one.

He could be considered the first suicide bomber in recorded history.

[2861U2]

Originally posted by deep


He could be considered the first suicide bomber in recorded history.

Exactly, and that's what I was thinking when I was debating myself.

[BonosSaint]

Would you say then waterboarding would be an acceptable interrogation technique for an enemy to use on an American soldier to obtain information that enemy considers vital? In a pragmatic kind of way.

[martha]

Originally posted by 2861U2

God is just,

This alone should scare the shit out of anyone who even for a minute thinks torture is acceptable for any reason.

[phillyfan26]

Originally posted by phillyfan26
You can't prove the person you've captured is a terrorist.

This is so simple, and is the main reason why torture doesn't make sense.

Someone attempt to dispute this. Please. I want to embarass someone.

[martha]

Have any of these loving Christian advocates of torture even listened to the victims of torture? Nigerians? Others sponsored by Amnesty International? Or is it easier to digest it if you don't have to face it?

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by 2861U2


That's absolutely right.

And the idea that if we don't torture them they won't torture us is outrageous.

Hey terrorists, here's an idea. How about you tell what you know right away, and then you won't have to be "tortured." I don't have sympathy for a "tortured" terrorist at all. Waterboarding is used as a last resort, so terrorists have every opportunity to avoid it. They choose not to though, because they know it will cause an outrage here in America, and therefore put the focus on waterboarding rather than the actual important issue of potential attacks.

you're right. we're no better than them. we obviously have no moral high ground, we have nothing to defend, we aren't any different. we just have to kill them first.

if that's the attitude, they've already won.

you are no better than Josef Stalin, Pol Pot, or Kim Jong Il.

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by martha


This alone should scare the shit out of anyone who even for a minute thinks torture is acceptable for any reason.

i cannot believe there's even debate about this. it dumbfounds me.

Christianity has nothing to do with it.

TORTURE DOES NOT WORK.

it gets you bad information. the man who is being tortured will tell you WHATEVER YOU WANT TO HEAR in order to STOP BEING TORTURED.

thus, you get what is known as BAD INFORMATION.

286whatever, you do realize that your boy, John McCain, is AGAINST waterboarding?

[deep]

Originally posted by Irvine511
286whatever, you do realize that your boy, John McCain, is AGAINST waterboarding?

Originally posted by deep
I think anyone that is against it 100%
is just be a softie, and may feel sorry for terrorists getting harsh treatment.


That is one reason why W is qualified to be Commander and Chief
and Obama may not have the stomach for the job.

[BVS]

Originally posted by Irvine511


286whatever, you do realize that your boy, John McCain, is AGAINST waterboarding?

You Republicans will be voting for a terrorist enabler!!!

Stay home, don't vote.

[Bono's shades]

Originally posted by 2861U2
Hey terrorists, here's an idea. How about you tell what you know right away, and then you won't have to be "tortured." I don't have sympathy for a "tortured" terrorist at all. Waterboarding is used as a last resort, so terrorists have every opportunity to avoid it. They choose not to though, because they know it will cause an outrage here in America, and therefore put the focus on waterboarding rather than the actual important issue of potential attacks.

Has it ever occured to you that the suspected terrorists aren't giving any information because they simply don't know the answer to whatever question is being asked? Isn't that a much simpler explanation than "they are trying to get the interregators to torture them so the U.S. will look bad"?

Oh, I forgot. You need a way to reconcile your Christian beliefs with your support of torture. Carry on.

[Diemen]

Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar


You Republicans will be voting for a terrorist enabler!!!

Terrorist loving conservatives...