Torture/Waterboarding: Discussion/Debate Thread

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by diamond


i rest my case.

dbs

you're right. this White House would never, ever say something that is untrue or defend it's poor policies with lies and fabrications.

[anitram]

I wonder if diamond realizes that no matter who is president next, they won't be a torture lover....

[U2isthebest]

Originally posted by anitram
I wonder if diamond realizes that no matter who is president next, they won't be a torture lover....

Damn, and if there was ever a mark of a good leader, it's clearly a massive erection for the inhumane physical and/or mental treatment of another human being. I guess we're out of luck. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot, who wouldn't want to be in company with fine leaders like them?

[diamond]

Originally posted by anitram
I wonder if diamond realizes that no matter who is president next, they won't be a torture lover....

nobody is a torture lover now.

there are a few here though that are unwitting terrorist enablers.

dbs

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by diamond


nobody is a torture lover now.

there are a few here though that are unwitting terrorist enablers.

dbs

if you don't torture, you enable the terrorists?

are you sure you want to say that?

[onebloodonelife]

Originally posted by diamond


nobody is a torture lover now.

there are a few here though that are unwitting terrorist enablers.

dbs

Really? So, you're condoning the "if you're not with us, you're against us," everyone who's opposed to the president is an enemy mentality?

[martha]

Originally posted by diamond

there are a few here though that are unwitting terrorist enablers.

dbs

You're full of shit diamond.

[U2isthebest]

His buddy Mitt would agree with him. Did you hear his rousing, contradictory, and altogether lacking in reason speech yesterday?


http://www.politicswest.com/2008_ele...pension_speech

[onebloodonelife]

'I must put something in context. America is unique in the history of the world. In the history of the world, whenever there has been conflict, the nation that wins takes land from the nation that loses. One nation in history, and this during the last century, laid down hundreds of thousands of lives and took no land. No land from Germany, no land from Japan, no land from Korea. America is unique in the sacrifice it has made for liberty, for itself and for freedom loving people around the world.' The best ally peace has ever known, and will ever know, is a strong America.

That comes from some other guy he referenced...but, I'm pretty sure we had a heavy hand in taking land away from Germany (not for ourselves, but we helped shape it nonetheless) after WWI, which then lead to the animosity Germany had for us.

And, even if we didn't take land, we took other things and emasculated countries by taking away their armies.

[U2isthebest]

Originally posted by onebloodonelife
'I must put something in context. America is unique in the history of the world. In the history of the world, whenever there has been conflict, the nation that wins takes land from the nation that loses. One nation in history, and this during the last century, laid down hundreds of thousands of lives and took no land. No land from Germany, no land from Japan, no land from Korea. America is unique in the sacrifice it has made for liberty, for itself and for freedom loving people around the world.' The best ally peace has ever known, and will ever know, is a strong America.

That comes from some other guy he referenced...but, I'm pretty sure we had a heavy hand in taking land away from Germany (not for ourselves, but we helped shape it nonetheless) after WWI, which then lead to the animosity Germany had for us.

And, even if we didn't take land, we took other things and emasculated countries by taking away their armies.

And of course, we NEVER took land here that didn't truly belong to us by taking it away from the Native Americans who were here hundreds of years before us. We didn't continually push them west promising to take care of them, while letting hundreds, possibly thousands, of them die because of our inhumane treatment....oh wait. Glad Mitt knows his history.

[diamond]

gullible amoralist nihilists.

dbs

[martha]

Originally posted by U2isthebest


And of course, we NEVER took land here that didn't truly belong to us by taking it away from the Native Americans who were here hundreds of years before us. We didn't continually push them west promising to take care of them, while letting hundreds, possibly thousands, of them die because of our inhumane treatment....oh wait. Glad Mitt knows his history.

They have their casinos now. Isn't that enough?

[U2isthebest]

Whoa there Diamond. Way to wound our confidence in our respective opinions. I'm sure we all see the light now.

[BVS]

Diamond's right everyone, go out an torture someone or you are enabling terrorists... It saves lives. It's true, it's on the internets.

[U2isthebest]

Originally posted by martha


They have their casinos now. Isn't that enough?

Hey, casinos make everything better, right? The pain and suffering of cruelty and death is easily wiped away with money! It's always been the American way!

[Diemen]

Originally posted by U2isthebest
His buddy Mitt would agree with him. Did you hear his rousing, contradictory, and altogether lacking in reason speech yesterday?


http://www.politicswest.com/2008_ele...pension_speech

That speech is all sorts of crazy:

"The development of a child is enhanced by having a mother and father. Such a family is the ideal for the future of the child and for the strength of a nation. I wonder how it is that unelected judges, like some in my state of Massachusetts, are so unaware of this reality, so oblivious to the millennia of recorded history. It is time for the people of America to fortify marriage through Constitutional amendment, so that liberal judges cannot continue to attack it.

"Europe is facing a demographic disaster. That is the inevitable product of weakened faith in the Creator, failed families, disrespect for the sanctity of human life and eroded morality.

I don't even know where to start.

[U2isthebest]

Originally posted by Diemen


That speech is all sorts of crazy:



I don't even know where to start.

I love how he talked about the importance of keeping God in our country's laws, morals, and values and then talked about how nations like Iran could destroy democracy by wanting to put religion in government. Way to talk out of both sides of your mouth, Mitt.

[Diemen]

I wonder who his speechwriter is.

[Irvine511]

weren't Jesus and the Devil brothers?

[onebloodonelife]

Originally posted by U2isthebest


And of course, we NEVER took land here that didn't truly belong to us by taking it away from the Native Americans who were here hundreds of years before us. We didn't continually push them west promising to take care of them, while letting hundreds, possibly thousands, of them die because of our inhumane treatment....oh wait. Glad Mitt knows his history.

He only wanted to be President, obviously, that doesn't require knowing your history.