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Old 11-10-2004, 01:07 PM   #1
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Those F-ing, Ignorant, Low IQ, Red States, Racist, Intolorant, Moral Lacking BASTARDS

Give more to charity than they are given credit for. Please NOTE where the blue states are........

Thank you........


1)Mississippi (BUSH)
2)Arkansas(BUSH)
3)Oklahoma(BUSH)
4)Louisiana(BUSH)
5)Alabama (BUSH)
6)Tennessee (BUSH)
7)South Dakota (BUSH)
8)Utah (BUSH)
9)South Carolina (BUSH)
10)Idaho (BUSH)
Wyoming (BUSH)
Texas (BUSH)
West Virginia (BUSH)
Nebraska (BUSH)
North Dakota (BUSH)
North Carolina (BUSH)
Kansas (BUSH)
Florida (BUSH)
Georgia (BUSH)
Kentucky(BUSH)
Montana (BUSH)
Missouri (BUSH)
New Mexico (BUSH)
Alaska (BUSH)
Indiana (BUSH)
New York (Kerry)
Iowa (BUSH)
Ohio (BUSH)
California (Kerry)
Maryland (Kerry)
Illinois (Kerry)
Maine (Kerry)
Delaware (Kerry)
Washington (Kerry)
Vermont (Kerry)
Oregon (Bush)
Hawaii (Kerry)
Virginia (BUSH)
Arizona (BUSH)
40)Nevada (BUSH)
41)Pennsylvania (Kerry)
42)Michigan (Kerry)
43)Colorado (BUSH)
44)Connecticut (Kerry)
45)Minnesota (Kerry)
46)Wisconsin (Kerry)
47)New Jersey (Kerry)
48)Rhode Island (Kerry)
49)Massachusetts (Kerry)
50)New Hampshire (Kerry)

Oh, guess which states make the LEAST amount of money and give the most? You guessed it, those cheap ass Bush loving States at the top. They clearly do not know what charity is!!!!!!!!

http://www.catalogueforphilanthropy.....php?year=2004


Have fun with this one....
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I believe it's called tithing.
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I believe it's called tithing.
Really I thought it was called guilt.
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I believe it's called tithing.


I believe we should be in a bar having a beer laughing at that one together......

but no...its income tax based...click on the link.
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So the Blue states want to tax you and have the government create a program, while the red states just contribute directly to the needy?
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So the Blue states want to tax you and have the government create a program, while the red states just contribute directly to the needy?

Very interesting point you make there......

Maybe the states at the bottom prefer to rob from the rich and give to the poor?

Since they are so stingy with their money maybe that is why they think this way?

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proportionately speaking, per capita who gives more to charity a liberal or a conservative on average?

and do they demand a special wrist band in doing so?

thank u-



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and do they demand a special wrist band in doing so?

thank u-

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OMG......

No wrist band.....an elephant watch!!!
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Honestly, how many beers does it take for you guys to get so upset with a democracy?
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Very interesting point you make there......

Maybe the states at the bottom prefer to rob from the rich and give to the poor?

Since they are so stingy with their money maybe that is why they think this way?

Kind of a chicken-or-the-egg problem here...maybe people have little left over to give because Taxachusetts takes all their money.

Either way, the correlation is very plausible, since it is a conservative belief that the government shouldn't be dictating to people how to give away their money.
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So the Blue states want to tax you and have the government create a program, while the red states just contribute directly to the needy?

yes, because charity is insufficient to address needs that only the government can, like public schools, after school programs, etc. charity is nice, but not a substitute for real programs with real dollars behind them. carving a turkey in a homeless shelter on Thanksgiving isn't enough; federally subsidized shelters, job retraining programs, and psychiatric services are much more effective.
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This is also interesting. The percentage of people living below the poverty line:

1)Mississippi (BUSH) 17.2
2)Arkansas(BUSH) 18.8
3)Oklahoma(BUSH) 13,5
4)Louisiana(BUSH) 17.2
5)Alabama (BUSH) 14.7
6)Tennessee (BUSH) 14,4
7)South Dakota (BUSH) 12.1
8)Utah (BUSH) 9.5
9)South Carolina (BUSH) 13.5
10)Idaho (BUSH) 10.8
Wyoming (BUSH) 9.4
Texas (BUSH) 16.3
West Virginia (BUSH) 17.1
Nebraska (BUSH) 10.2
North Dakota (BUSH) 10.6
North Carolina (BUSH) 15.0
Kansas (BUSH) 10.4
Florida (BUSH) 12.6
Georgia (BUSH) 11.5
Kentucky(BUSH) 14.3
Montana (BUSH) 14.3
Missouri (BUSH) 10.3
New Mexico (BUSH) 18.0
Alaska (BUSH) 9.2
Indiana (BUSH) 9.5
New York (Kerry) 14.2
Iowa (BUSH) 9.1
Ohio (BUSH) 10.3
California (Kerry) 13.1
Maryland (Kerry) 8.0
Illinois (Kerry) 12.7
Maine (Kerry) 12.5
Delaware (Kerry) 8.2
Washington (Kerry) 11.8
Vermont (Kerry) 9.2
Oregon (Bush) 11.7
Hawaii (Kerry) 10.3
Virginia (BUSH) 10.0
Arizona (BUSH) 13.5
40)Nevada (BUSH) 9.9
41)Pennsylvania (Kerry) 10.0
42)Michigan (Kerry) 11.5
43)Colorado (BUSH) 9.7
44)Connecticut (Kerry) 8.2
45)Minnesota (Kerry) 6.9
46)Wisconsin (Kerry) 9.2
47)New Jersey (Kerry) 8.3
48)Rhode Island (Kerry) 11.3
49)Massachusetts (Kerry) 10.1
50)New Hampshire (Kerry) 5.8

I'm looking forward to seeing people from both sides trying to mold these figures into their favour.
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Kind of a chicken-or-the-egg problem here...maybe people have little left over to give because Taxachusetts takes all their money.

as a Connecticuttian who has dealt with Massholes his entire life, let me say that i am sick of all this massachusetts bashing. why not a big "thank you" to the state that, you know, gave birth to the United States with people like Sam Adams and Paul Revere. why do you think all those monuments are up there? and what about the world's greatest institutions of higher learning? like, you know, Harvard, MIT, BC, BU, Tufts ... don't want a big university? how about the two most prestigious liberal arts colleges in the Nation, Williams and Amherst? the nation's lowest divorce rate. a city with actual public transportation. low murder rates.

it drives me nuts when people complain about taxes. enjoy those roads you drive on? how about the Tennesee Valley Authority and it's electricity? hurricane relief in Florida?

all this comes from taxes.
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The poverty line is uniform across the nation, whereas a dollar in Mississippi is worth more than a dollar in Massachusetts.

Not sure who this favors, but it's still a true fact.
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as a Connecticuttian who has dealt with Massholes his entire life, let me say that i am sick of all this massachusetts bashing. why not a big "thank you" to the state that, you know, gave birth to the United States with people like Sam Adams and Paul Revere. why do you think all those monuments are up there? and what about the world's greatest institutions of higher learning? like, you know, Harvard, MIT, BC, BU, Tufts ... don't want a big university? how about the two most prestigious liberal arts colleges in the Nation, Williams and Amherst? the nation's lowest divorce rate. a city with actual public transportation. low murder rates.

it drives me nuts when people complain about taxes. enjoy those roads you drive on? how about the Tennesee Valley Authority and it's electricity? hurricane relief in Florida?

all this comes from taxes.
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I agree with Irvine511. We criticize Bush 100 times more than Osama bin Laden.
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yes, because charity is insufficient to address needs that only the government can, like public schools, after school programs, etc. charity is nice, but not a substitute for real programs with real dollars behind them. carving a turkey in a homeless shelter on Thanksgiving isn't enough; federally subsidized shelters, job retraining programs, and psychiatric services are much more effective.
Only to the extent that people prefer to let their taxes do the work so they don't have to get directly involved.
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I don't really understand how they got this. When you sort the data by percentage of returns with charitible itemized deductions, you find that of the top ten, most are blue.

Maryland [kerry] 44.5%
New Jersey [kerry]
Connecticut [kerry]
Minnesota [kerry]
Utah
Massachusetts [kerry]
New York [kerry]
Colorado
Virginia
Oregon [kerry]

Mississippi, which is ranked one on this generosity ranking is 46 out of 50 when sorted by percentage of tax returns with itemized reductions at 20.7%. The US average is 31%.

And when you look at the breakout data, you find that those with the money -- $200K and above -- are hording it alot more in red states than blue states.

It also doesn't take into account disposal income percentages, which would give people more space to give more money, tax percentages, which would skew the results if people are trying to get more tax breaks to avoid high local and state taxes, and it doesn't take into account the value of a dollar, which is alot higher in states like NY than states like Mississippi.
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Well, your title for this thread was great, Dread....
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I don't really understand how they got this. When you sort the data by percentage of returns with charitible itemized deductions, you find that of the top ten, most are blue.

Maryland [kerry] 44.5%
New Jersey [kerry]
Connecticut [kerry]
Minnesota [kerry]
Utah
Massachusetts [kerry]
New York [kerry]
Colorado
Virginia
Oregon [kerry]

Mississippi, which is ranked one on this generosity ranking is 46 out of 50 when sorted by percentage of tax returns with itemized reductions at 20.7%. The US average is 31%.
Does this mean that blue states give more, or that we're missing a lot of undeclared red-state contributions? It's not clear.

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And when you look at the breakout data, you find that those with the money -- $200K and above -- are hording it alot more in red states than blue states.

It also doesn't take into account disposal income percentages, which would give people more space to give more money, tax percentages, which would skew the results if people are trying to get more tax breaks to avoid high local and state taxes, and it doesn't take into account the value of a dollar, which is alot higher in states like NY than states like Mississippi.
Well, the non-uniform value of a dollar affects the true value of the income and the giving, so the two effects should roughly cancel out.

Also, since the federal standard deduction is uniform across the country, the deduction looks a lot higher to red states. So you might expect more red staters to have donated an amount of money that is less than the standard deduction. Hence the non-itemized, non-declared giving.
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