This is so terrible, very bad..........I can't believe this had happened......

mad1 · 11-14-2001, 10:35 AM

This is so awful, I cant believe such a thing like this would happen, if its so true��..(must have been on TV and I missed it)

From a newspaper:

* British teenager Elizabeth Dolber showed immense courage at the weekend by talking about her ordeal as a sex slave in Italy.

She was kidnapped and drugged while on a visit to Padua, then kept in a room where she was raped around 700 times by various paying clients lined up by her captors.

If she refused the drugs they would beat her then force feed her with heroin to keep her malleable. She only escaped after pretending she had a friend she could enlist for sex sessions, then calling her mother instead.

Her three captors are now in custody awaiting trial.

That three people could collude to do this to another human being is appalling.
That hundreds of men could have sex with a drugged, badly-beaten girl and not even make an anonymous call to save her, is sickening beyond belief *

My first thought on this was the �700 times�, I mean, I know perhaps this sort of thing goes on everyday and in lots of different countries, but I find it shocking to read when its there in front of me......700 times....... 700 times.......by men.......by �men��......unbelivable.....

Im just stunned.

Salome · 11-14-2001, 12:01 PM

that's just too sick for me to even want to think about it

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Salome
Shake it, shake it, shake it

U2girl · 11-14-2001, 01:44 PM

That's beyond sick. That's hell on Earth.

How could they do such things to a young girl?
How could anyone of those 700 NOT call the police?
Or at least have mercy on her and not rape her?!?

This sort of thing apparently happens in the Third world countries more, but it's nonetheless gross.

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"It's about finding your way into the music." - Edge

"Something inside said this could be everything in your life." - Bono

"U2 as a band does things nobody one else can. I think that is a very powerful thing." - Larry

"Adam believed in the band before anyone did." - Bono

[This message has been edited by U2girl (edited 11-14-2001).]

Anthony · 11-14-2001, 01:45 PM

Horrendous.
You see, this is EXACTLY why not everyone should have equal rights. The moment you give equal rights to sick pieces of excrement such as those responsible for this, they abuse them.
With people like that in the world, there is no room for equality. Not until the human race receives a moral enima.

Ant.

bonovista · 11-14-2001, 07:07 PM

I too find it so sick to even think about it. 700 men that can actually do such a dispicable act is beyond my comprehension.

Kudos for that girl for speaking out. The number one step to prevent this from happening so frequently is making the public aware of the problem.

[This message has been edited by bonovista (edited 11-14-2001).]

Gina Marie · 11-14-2001, 07:09 PM

I just don't even know what to say about this.

How will that girl ever go on with her life?

Lord help us all living in a world where such a thing could happen.

LarryMullen's POPAngel · 11-14-2001, 08:29 PM

Fucking sick bastards.

speedracer · 11-14-2001, 08:36 PM

And now the punchline:

The first rapist had HIV and infected the girl, who infected the other 699 rapists, but the girl was recently discovered to have the "Magic Johnson" gene that confers immunity to AIDS.
(No, it's not actually true.)

bonovista · 11-14-2001, 09:12 PM

I know this sounds a bit of an immature statement, but all those 700 men deserve to have their "pee-pees" cut off and let them watch as her initials are carved into the top part of their once-attached-genitals.

There I said it...

foray · 11-14-2001, 09:24 PM

This makes me feel ill.

frayed

Miss MacPhisto · 11-14-2001, 09:41 PM

Well, so much shit has happened to me lately, i am very much in a killing mode.

Anyone who's interested can have me dispatched to Europe on a moments notice if my services can be of use...

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Look...look what you've done to me...You've made me poor and infamous, and I thank you...

My name is MISS MACPHISTO...I'm tired and i want to go HOME...

"Well you tell...Bonovista,that i said hello and that my codename is Belleview" - Bono before opening night of Anaheim Elevation concert

IvanClaytonJnr · 11-14-2001, 10:52 PM

I think 80% of these 700's didn't even know that she was raped , kidnapped etc. thier thoughts : " Dirty drugged prostitute , sexy , young , cheap and no questions .. "
Awful Story .

U2Bama · 11-14-2001, 10:54 PM

I agree with Anthony & bonovista.

Angela Harlem · 11-18-2001, 02:29 AM

Ivan, that is quite probably very true. Doesn't make it any easier for the poor girl huh? Its still rape regardless. Prostitutes are raped on a daily basis, and no one bats an eye. 700 hundred evil acts. How would someone survive it?

80sU2isBest · 11-18-2001, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Miss MacPhisto:
[Bi am very much in a killing mode.
Anyone who's interested can have me dispatched to Europe on a moments notice if my services can be of use...

[/B]

I'm right there with you. I am against the death penalty because there's always a chance to execute an innocent person, but if I knew 100% who the 700 were, I'm not so sure that I'd be able to resist the temptation to slaughter those monsters.

doctorwho · 11-24-2001, 07:27 AM

This thread is the very reason I have lost faith in U2 fans.

You are all so self-righteous. BLAH! I guarantee you that if you saw some woman on the street drugged out, you'd ignore her. Some of you might even think that she deserves what's coming to her. But none of you would actually stop to help her.

Those 700 men did something I could never do. However, I would say that 99% of them figured she was just another drugged out prostitute - like the hundreds of others they see every other day. The same hundreds of others that all of you ignore every day. Yet there you are, stating that you'd actually KILL those men. Some of you even state that you are in a "killing mood."

This is what U2 has "taught you?" What happened was terrible. I doubt this young lady will ever return to her previous healthy life. And I hope the men that did this crime are severely punished. But to prosecute 700 men for doing something that happens in your neighborhood every day while you ignore it is simply not right.

Lilly · 11-24-2001, 09:39 AM

I hate to say it, but dr. who is right. i see where everybody is coming from, most people's natural instinct is to severely punish these individuals who we assumed knew she was a young british tourist stolen and made prisoner. it's an unfair assumption. Whoever said we should not have equal rights, that's dispicable. it hurts to know you even said put that here. And wishing that 700 people got AIDS is even worse...it's unfathomable that someone is capable of wishing that on ONE other human, but 700!

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Go lightly down your darkened way.

[This message has been edited by Lilly (edited 11-24-2001).]

Miss MacPhisto · 11-24-2001, 03:23 PM

Nope. No apologies from me here. I have no qualms about destroying evil human beings. Never have, never will.
When you intentionally hurt an innocent person or animal, you surrender your rights. You are no longer human. You become nothing.
Perhaps some of those men did figure she was just another drugged up prostitute, i wasnt even specifically talking about them , but the ones who put her there and did this to her in the first place. No mercy for them.

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Look...look what you've done to me...You've made me poor and infamous, and I thank you...

My name is MISS MACPHISTO...I'm tired and i want to go HOME...

"Well you tell...Bonovista,that i said hello and that my codename is Belleview" - Bono before opening night of Anaheim Elevation concert

Trash Can · 11-24-2001, 04:01 PM

I agree with DrWho (yet I feel a bit of self-righteousness in agreeing with it.)

As sick and evil as this whole thing was, I MUST refuse to cast the first stone. I MUST refuse to become the monster, so the monster will not hurt me.

I know NOTHING of these 700 men. I have NO right to judge. God... will do what is right. (and the Law will too) I must believe that, IF I am to consider myself a Christian. How can I believe that God would NOT be able to handle this, and so I would need to kill these men, and at the same time kill a part of my own soul.
I would kill to please my own self. To try to end the hate that is in my heart... yet this hate would not be quenched.

It IS a horrific Hell of a world out there... Who here honestly did NOT think that BEFORE they read this Post???
So do we add fuel to this fire?
Or do we turn to what IS good about this world, and become and spread what IS good about this world.

As for these men... I cant believe that not ONE single man here has never gone to a prostitute at least once... or to a topless bar... or any man or woman has not purchased pornography.... or clicked onto a porn site.

The women (and men) all these industries use and abuse may NOT be sex slaves raped by 700 men, but yet they are still victims to some degree. And anyone who has taken any part in any of the above mentioned HAS then supported it.

MY hands are not clean. ( Never you mind why!) I have done some stupid and hurtful things in my life... to others and to myself.
By the Grace of God, I now have taken responsibility for them and have suffered the consequences... and have chosen to turn away from them.
I am as human as those 700 men... as Osama bin Laden... as Hitler... AND as human as that poor girl, may she find peace...and as MLK... Ghandi... Mother Teresa... and dare I say as human as the human side of that dear man who walked the earth 2000 years ago, and laughed, and loved, and chastised, and taught, and cried, and got angry, and felt fear and doubt, and overcame.

Just what the hell has U2 been singing about all these years then!????

Peace

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My love for you
It's in the things I do and say
If I wanna live I gotta
Die to myself someday.
Surrender.

Klodomir · 11-24-2001, 04:46 PM

I understand literally everyone who has posted in response to this, but I don't think it's right to judge those who spoke in anger. Isn't that better than not caring at all?

11-14-2001, 10:35 AM	#1
mad1 ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2001 Location: Angie Jolie lover from Belfast Norn Ireland. I LOVE YOU ANGIE! Im a Bono fan! Posts: 13,169 Local Time: 03:50 AM	This is so terrible, very bad..........I can't believe this had happened...... This is so awful, I cant believe such a thing like this would happen, if its so true��..(must have been on TV and I missed it) From a newspaper: * British teenager Elizabeth Dolber showed immense courage at the weekend by talking about her ordeal as a sex slave in Italy. She was kidnapped and drugged while on a visit to Padua, then kept in a room where she was raped around 700 times by various paying clients lined up by her captors. If she refused the drugs they would beat her then force feed her with heroin to keep her malleable. She only escaped after pretending she had a friend she could enlist for sex sessions, then calling her mother instead. Her three captors are now in custody awaiting trial. That three people could collude to do this to another human being is appalling. That hundreds of men could have sex with a drugged, badly-beaten girl and not even make an anonymous call to save her, is sickening beyond belief * My first thought on this was the �700 times�, I mean, I know perhaps this sort of thing goes on everyday and in lots of different countries, but I find it shocking to read when its there in front of me......700 times....... 700 times.......by men.......by �men��......unbelivable..... Im just stunned. __________________

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Salome you are what you is Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Netherlands Posts: 22,070 Local Time: 04:50 AM	that's just too sick for me to even want to think about it ------------------ Salome Shake it, shake it, shake it __________________

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11-14-2001, 01:44 PM	#3
U2girl Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: slovenija Posts: 21,099 Local Time: 04:50 AM	That's beyond sick. That's hell on Earth. How could they do such things to a young girl? How could anyone of those 700 NOT call the police? Or at least have mercy on her and not rape her?!? This sort of thing apparently happens in the Third world countries more, but it's nonetheless gross. ------------------ "It's about finding your way into the music." - Edge "Something inside said this could be everything in your life." - Bono "U2 as a band does things nobody one else can. I think that is a very powerful thing." - Larry "Adam believed in the band before anyone did." - Bono [This message has been edited by U2girl (edited 11-14-2001).]

11-14-2001, 01:45 PM	#4
Anthony Refugee Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,538 Local Time: 02:50 AM	Horrendous. You see, this is EXACTLY why not everyone should have equal rights. The moment you give equal rights to sick pieces of excrement such as those responsible for this, they abuse them. With people like that in the world, there is no room for equality. Not until the human race receives a moral enima. Ant.

11-14-2001, 07:07 PM	#5
bonovista War Child Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the Bad Girls School where MissMac graduated from. Posts: 549 Local Time: 02:50 AM	I too find it so sick to even think about it. 700 men that can actually do such a dispicable act is beyond my comprehension. Kudos for that girl for speaking out. The number one step to prevent this from happening so frequently is making the public aware of the problem. [This message has been edited by bonovista (edited 11-14-2001).]

11-14-2001, 07:09 PM	#6
Gina Marie Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bruce's land of hope and dreams Posts: 5,404 Local Time: 09:50 PM	I just don't even know what to say about this. How will that girl ever go on with her life? Lord help us all living in a world where such a thing could happen.

11-14-2001, 08:29 PM	#7
LarryMullen's POPAngel Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'll be up with the sun, I'm not coming down... Posts: 53,698 Local Time: 09:50 PM	Fucking sick bastards.

11-14-2001, 08:36 PM	#8
speedracer Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,604 Local Time: 10:50 PM	And now the punchline: The first rapist had HIV and infected the girl, who infected the other 699 rapists, but the girl was recently discovered to have the "Magic Johnson" gene that confers immunity to AIDS. (No, it's not actually true.)

11-14-2001, 09:12 PM	#9
bonovista War Child Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the Bad Girls School where MissMac graduated from. Posts: 549 Local Time: 02:50 AM	I know this sounds a bit of an immature statement, but all those 700 men deserve to have their "pee-pees" cut off and let them watch as her initials are carved into the top part of their once-attached-genitals. There I said it...

11-14-2001, 09:24 PM	#10
foray Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: full of sound and fury Posts: 3,386 Local Time: 03:50 PM	This makes me feel ill. frayed

11-14-2001, 09:41 PM	#11
Miss MacPhisto Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Planet Pleba Posts: 1,957 Local Time: 06:50 PM	Well, so much shit has happened to me lately, i am very much in a killing mode. Anyone who's interested can have me dispatched to Europe on a moments notice if my services can be of use... ------------------ Look...look what you've done to me...You've made me poor and infamous, and I thank you... My name is MISS MACPHISTO...I'm tired and i want to go HOME... "Well you tell...Bonovista,that i said hello and that my codename is Belleview" - Bono before opening night of Anaheim Elevation concert

11-14-2001, 10:52 PM	#12
IvanClaytonJnr Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: ZOO-STATES Posts: 629 Local Time: 02:50 AM	I think 80% of these 700's didn't even know that she was raped , kidnapped etc. thier thoughts : " Dirty drugged prostitute , sexy , young , cheap and no questions .. " Awful Story .

11-14-2001, 10:54 PM	#13
U2Bama Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine Posts: 3,405 Local Time: 09:50 PM	I agree with Anthony & bonovista.

11-18-2001, 02:29 AM	#14
Angela Harlem Jesus Online Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: a glass castle Posts: 30,163 Local Time: 01:50 PM	Ivan, that is quite probably very true. Doesn't make it any easier for the poor girl huh? Its still rape regardless. Prostitutes are raped on a daily basis, and no one bats an eye. 700 hundred evil acts. How would someone survive it?

11-24-2001, 07:27 AM	#16
doctorwho Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: My TARDIS - currently located in Valparaiso, IN Posts: 6,367 Local Time: 06:50 PM	This thread is the very reason I have lost faith in U2 fans. You are all so self-righteous. BLAH! I guarantee you that if you saw some woman on the street drugged out, you'd ignore her. Some of you might even think that she deserves what's coming to her. But none of you would actually stop to help her. Those 700 men did something I could never do. However, I would say that 99% of them figured she was just another drugged out prostitute - like the hundreds of others they see every other day. The same hundreds of others that all of you ignore every day. Yet there you are, stating that you'd actually KILL those men. Some of you even state that you are in a "killing mood." This is what U2 has "taught you?" What happened was terrible. I doubt this young lady will ever return to her previous healthy life. And I hope the men that did this crime are severely punished. But to prosecute 700 men for doing something that happens in your neighborhood every day while you ignore it is simply not right.

11-24-2001, 09:39 AM	#17
Lilly Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: back and to the left Posts: 8,523 Local Time: 08:50 PM	I hate to say it, but dr. who is right. i see where everybody is coming from, most people's natural instinct is to severely punish these individuals who we assumed knew she was a young british tourist stolen and made prisoner. it's an unfair assumption. Whoever said we should not have equal rights, that's dispicable. it hurts to know you even said put that here. And wishing that 700 people got AIDS is even worse...it's unfathomable that someone is capable of wishing that on ONE other human, but 700! ------------------ Go lightly down your darkened way. [This message has been edited by Lilly (edited 11-24-2001).]

11-24-2001, 03:23 PM	#18
Miss MacPhisto Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Planet Pleba Posts: 1,957 Local Time: 06:50 PM	Nope. No apologies from me here. I have no qualms about destroying evil human beings. Never have, never will. When you intentionally hurt an innocent person or animal, you surrender your rights. You are no longer human. You become nothing. Perhaps some of those men did figure she was just another drugged up prostitute, i wasnt even specifically talking about them , but the ones who put her there and did this to her in the first place. No mercy for them. ------------------ Look...look what you've done to me...You've made me poor and infamous, and I thank you... My name is MISS MACPHISTO...I'm tired and i want to go HOME... "Well you tell...Bonovista,that i said hello and that my codename is Belleview" - Bono before opening night of Anaheim Elevation concert

11-24-2001, 04:01 PM	#19
Trash Can Acrobat Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 399 Local Time: 02:50 AM	I agree with DrWho (yet I feel a bit of self-righteousness in agreeing with it.) As sick and evil as this whole thing was, I MUST refuse to cast the first stone. I MUST refuse to become the monster, so the monster will not hurt me. I know NOTHING of these 700 men. I have NO right to judge. God... will do what is right. (and the Law will too) I must believe that, IF I am to consider myself a Christian. How can I believe that God would NOT be able to handle this, and so I would need to kill these men, and at the same time kill a part of my own soul. I would kill to please my own self. To try to end the hate that is in my heart... yet this hate would not be quenched. It IS a horrific Hell of a world out there... Who here honestly did NOT think that BEFORE they read this Post??? So do we add fuel to this fire? Or do we turn to what IS good about this world, and become and spread what IS good about this world. As for these men... I cant believe that not ONE single man here has never gone to a prostitute at least once... or to a topless bar... or any man or woman has not purchased pornography.... or clicked onto a porn site. The women (and men) all these industries use and abuse may NOT be sex slaves raped by 700 men, but yet they are still victims to some degree. And anyone who has taken any part in any of the above mentioned HAS then supported it. MY hands are not clean. ( Never you mind why!) I have done some stupid and hurtful things in my life... to others and to myself. By the Grace of God, I now have taken responsibility for them and have suffered the consequences... and have chosen to turn away from them. I am as human as those 700 men... as Osama bin Laden... as Hitler... AND as human as that poor girl, may she find peace...and as MLK... Ghandi... Mother Teresa... and dare I say as human as the human side of that dear man who walked the earth 2000 years ago, and laughed, and loved, and chastised, and taught, and cried, and got angry, and felt fear and doubt, and overcame. Just what the hell has U2 been singing about all these years then!???? Peace ------------------ My love for you It's in the things I do and say If I wanna live I gotta Die to myself someday. Surrender.