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I read in the newspaper yesterday about an atrocious event that happened in Pakistan, last June. An 11 year old boy was seen walking in his village (without a chaperone)accompanied by a girl who was from a superior tribe than him, the Mastoi. The Mastoi tribe was outraged that this boy would dare be seen with someone who was from a superior caste and decided that a punishment was needed. They decided that his older 18 year old sister, Mukhtiar Mai, should be the one who had the be the victim of all of this, and decided that she would be gang raped by 4 men in front of the whole village. Mai pleaded to her assailants to let her go, saying that she had spent years teaching the Coran to the village's children but she couldn't escape. While she was gang raped the villagers were cheering. After this was over she had to go back to her home, naked while people were throwing insults at her. There has been 22 gang rapes this year in this Pakistani region of Punjab all in the name of "honor".
__________________The Pakistani government was outraged and the president in charge of the "Women's development program" gave Mai a 1500$ cheque..(like this would make her all forget), and the Supreme Court are now planning on punishing those tribal "juries" that operate outside of the judiciary system....What took them so long? |
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Sial betul.
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why oh why must women suffer for "crimes" that aren't crimes and which they didn't committ? men can be such animals. Castration wouldn't be good enough punishment.
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shit like that makes me angry.
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And people wonder why I think we should proceed with the cloning of humans until this is our only means of reproduction, causing the male species to become obsolete and eventually die out.
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fucking retards indeed
i am absolutely speechless about this.
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They should be hung by their testicles. Or they should be f***ed in the ass in front of a cheering crowd.
This type of humiliation to women goes on in many more countries and is much more current than I thought... |
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As horrible as that event was, it was pretty tame compared to what happens to women in many countries in Africa, the middle East, India and Asia.
Women are routinely murdered and maimed at the hands of their husbands, fathers or borthers in many places to save face for family "honour". And haven't you heard of female castration? Happens to young girls and women in some African countries as commonly as Jewish boys are circumcized. ![]() ![]() ![]() Ok, my blood pressure is up, I'm off to lurk in PLEBA to calm down..... |
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Well, the thing about female genital mutilation is that it's a coming-of-age pride thing. Some females in Africa actually claim that the more people protest against it, the more they want to do it.
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This is horrible! Im totally disgusted with how some people treat other people. It makes me very angry that things like this happen to innocent people!
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:attn:This is not to say that I agree with a young woman being forced against her will to have this "procedure" done. :attn: While as a woman I am disgusted by the idea of gential mutilation, it is not my place to put down someone else's belief system. I think that if someone wants to do this more power to them, however, the way in which it is sometimes done can be deadly.
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I do believe some women believe their mothers or grandmothers in regards to this procedure. They are contaminated with lies that if they do not have this done then they cannot have children or a man will know she is unclean. These are sick lies and therefore I feel IF any woman said she wanted this done has clearly been lied to not able to decide on her own what she wants for her body. I bet the things you hear that they want it more the more people protest it are lies spread by the dominating males of those cultures to get human rights activists off their backs. It makes me sick, the whole thing makes me sick ![]() if you want any more info: http://www.rawa.org http://www.vday.org |
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I wouldn't post some of the information at this link because it is quite graphic, but if you are interested in learning more about these cruel practices check here:
http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/femgen/fgm1.htm#a11 |
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Brilliant post, daisybean. Good point, foray.
It is always so difficult to get a position on those things, because these cultures are so far away and out of our imagination, that we canīt possibly imagine what is really wanted by who and for what reason. The circumcission of boys, f.e., is also celebrated very often, it is a big thing; not comparable, for many reasons, with the first time we take the holy bread in church, but with a religious impact and lots of intensity. If anyone wants some real information about those things, he must go there; at least consult an institute for ethnology if you want some reliable information. I donīt know that much. I am heavily interested in different spiritual procedures, like healing. |
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please read the link I provided above- Just because it is the older people's customs does NOT mean it is right. |
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Also true, Oliveu2, just because it is the Elders tradition doesnīt make it right. But right for who?
__________________Look, you can be sure that I am the same women-and-freedom-and-independency-loving as anyone here. It is only a question from which view you watch those traditions. It is true, from my European (or your American?) point of view that these women should not be hurt or even killed. And sure, traditions which hurt, have to be changed. But with whose power? They have to change it if they want to, not us, because we are so liberal or democratic or freedom loving. They have to change it, so that they get independency. More to stand on their own feet. But - also! - be careful with this, the unit "family" in african perception is a totally different one from first world perception of the same word. I think those poor women should only somehow be assured that they have a free choice. But I would like if we would concentrate more on fighting hunger and AIDS. So many people die of hunger. I know I change the theme now, just let me say, we canīt imagine how it is to be hungry. People in India or Africa can. I mean, shouldnīt we try to not eat anything for at least a week, and then see what we are able to discuss about with our oh-so-free-minds? We are so openminded because we can afford it. So - sorry, but I donīt click your links. First, because I can imagine clearly enough without seeing, second because I think the Internet is not a first hand selective information system for this theme. |
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